What is the best way to get emacs23?

What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Mauricio]

Hi,

I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?

Thanks,
Maurício

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Ruohao Li]

There is a deb package named 'emacs-snapshot':
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/+archive
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 14:52 -0200, Mauricio wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?
> 
> Thanks,
> Maurício
> 
> 
> 

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Ruohao Li]

Here is a emacs-snapshot package for Ubuntu:
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/+archive
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 14:52 -0200, Mauricio wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?
> 
> Thanks,
> Maurício
> 
> 
> 

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Joost Diepenmaat]

Mauricio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?

Dunno if ubuntu provides emacs23 snapshots. If not, just get the current
head from CVS and install it in /usr/local (the default). That way if you
run into problems, you still have a working emacs.

Note that some linux distros provide a lot of emacs extensions that
aren't part of the base install, so you may want to ajust your load-path
if you want to use those from your custom built emacs (or install the
extensions you want yourself)

-- 
Joost Diepenmaat | blog: http://joost.zeekat.nl/ | work: http://zeekat.nl/

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Richard Riley]

Mauricio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?
>
> Thanks,
> Maurício
>
>
>

I dumped the debian emacs because of some issues with info files.  This
seemed a good moment to move to emacs 23 and I used git to access it.

http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=emacs.git

It also meant various packages like emacs-goodies were no longer
installable but things were easily down loadable.

Works well for me : good luck,

richard.

-- 
 important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday.  ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations:  Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Brian Adkins]

Mauricio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?

Here's what I did:
http://lojic.com/blog/2008/02/07/nice-fonts-for-gnu-emacs-on-ubuntu-linux/


-- 
Brian Adkins
http://www.lojic.com/
http://lojic.com/blog/

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Mauricio]

Brian Adkins a écrit :
> Mauricio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
>> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?
> 
> Here's what I did:
> http://lojic.com/blog/2008/02/07/nice-fonts-for-gnu-emacs-on-ubuntu-linux/
> 
> 

Great. I didn't even know 22 was supposed to
have nice fonts.

Thanks.

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[rustom]

On Nov 6, 1:33 am, Mauricio <briqueabra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Brian Adkins a écrit :
>
> > Mauricio <briqueabra...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >> Hi,
>
> >> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
> >> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?
>
> > Here's what I did:
> >http://lojic.com/blog/2008/02/07/nice-fonts-for-gnu-emacs-on-ubuntu-l...
>
> Great. I didn't even know 22 was supposed to
> have nice fonts.
>
> Thanks.

Well I did all this and i get
Font `Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10' is not defined.
Note: I installed ttf-bitsream-vera
Im on debian etch

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Paul R]

rustom> Well I did all this and i get Font `Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10'
rustom> is not defined. Note: I installed ttf-bitsream-vera Im on debian
rustom> etch

start it with emacs -Q
if it works carry on else report here

start with emacs -q
if it works fix your .emacs else fix your debian site-lisp installation

where 'fix' means looking for a place where the default font is set.
A solution is to grep -R "bitstream" from the root of where you are
looking for it.

-- 
  Paul

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[rustom]

On Nov 6, 9:50 pm, Paul R <paul.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> rustom> Well I did all this and i get Font `Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10'
> rustom> is not defined. Note: I installed ttf-bitsream-vera Im on debian
> rustom> etch
>
> start it with emacs -Q
> if it works carry on else report here
>
> start with emacs -q
> if it works fix your .emacs else fix your debian site-lisp installation
>
> where 'fix' means looking for a place where the default font is set.
> A solution is to grep -R "bitstream" from the root of where you are
> looking for it.
>
> --
>   Paul

Neither of emacs -q or -Q gives any problem
But
$ emacs -fn  "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10"
gives me
Font `Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10' is not defined

Note Ive installed the ttf-bitstream-vera debian package; which
supplies the files:

VeraBd.ttf  VeraIt.ttf    VeraMoBI.ttf  VeraMono.ttf  VeraSe.ttf
VeraBI.ttf  VeraMoBd.ttf  VeraMoIt.ttf  VeraSeBd.ttf  Vera.ttf

in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera

What else do I need to do?

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Ross A. Laird]

rustom <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> On Nov 6, 9:50 pm, Paul R <paul.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> rustom> Well I did all this and i get Font `Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10'
>> rustom> is not defined. Note: I installed ttf-bitsream-vera Im on debian
>> rustom> etch
>>
>> start it with emacs -Q
>> if it works carry on else report here
>>
>> start with emacs -q
>> if it works fix your .emacs else fix your debian site-lisp installation
>>
>> where 'fix' means looking for a place where the default font is set.
>> A solution is to grep -R "bitstream" from the root of where you are
>> looking for it.
>>
>> --
>>   Paul
>
> Neither of emacs -q or -Q gives any problem
> But
> $ emacs -fn  "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10"
> gives me
> Font `Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10' is not defined
>
> Note Ive installed the ttf-bitstream-vera debian package; which
> supplies the files:
>
> VeraBd.ttf  VeraIt.ttf    VeraMoBI.ttf  VeraMono.ttf  VeraSe.ttf
> VeraBI.ttf  VeraMoBd.ttf  VeraMoIt.ttf  VeraSeBd.ttf  Vera.ttf
>
> in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera
>
> What else do I need to do?
>

I'm on Ubuntu, but I recall a similar problem. Try this:

In ~/.Xresources, put this:

Emacs.font: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10
Emacs.FontBackend: xft

Restart X, and see what happens.

Cheers.

Ross
-- 
Ross A. Laird, PhD
www.rosslaird.info

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Brian Adkins]

ross@rosslaird.info (Ross A. Laird) writes:

> I'm on Ubuntu, but I recall a similar problem. Try this:
>
> In ~/.Xresources, put this:
>
> Emacs.font: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10
> Emacs.FontBackend: xft

The blog article I posted earlier mentioned the first of the above two
lines, but the poster in question said he "did all that". I'm not sure
the second line is required. Maybe the --enable-font-backend flag to
./configure takes care of it?

Also, I believe you can test things w/o editing ~/.Xresources via the
following (also in the article):

emacs -r -fn "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-10"

If you don't like reverse video, don't include the -r param.

> Restart X, and see what happens.

You can also use the following to avoid restarting X:

xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources

>
> Cheers.
>
> Ross
> -- 
> Ross A. Laird, PhD
> www.rosslaird.info
>
>
>

-- 
Brian Adkins
http://www.lojic.com/
http://lojic.com/blog/

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[rustom]

Giving up (on building emacs 23 on debian etch)

The latest error I get is
configure wants glib
glib wants gtk
and then apt bails out saying

libgtk2.0-dev:
  Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (=2.8.20-7) but 2.10.13-2~bpo.1 is to be
installed

I suppose one could try to get around it but in my experience when
pango gtk glib X etc start getting pulled in by dependencies it will
break anyway later and is generally not worth it.

So sticking with 22 (on debian etch)
(Have an ubuntu hardy laptop where the story may be different. But
doubt whether that too is worth the struggle)

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[rustom]

Well...
I dont what all I installed and fiddled and messed but I am getting
the fonts now

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Charles Sebold]

On 12 Nov 2008, rustom wrote:

> Giving up (on building emacs 23 on debian etch)
>
> The latest error I get is
> configure wants glib
> glib wants gtk
> and then apt bails out saying
>
> libgtk2.0-dev:
> Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (=2.8.20-7) but 2.10.13-2~bpo.1 is to be
> installed

I am running Etch, and here's what I get when I check libgtk2.0-dev and
libgtk2.0-0:

,----
| $ apt-cache show libgtk2.0-dev
| Package: libgtk2.0-dev
| .
| . snip
| .
| Version: 2.8.20-7
| .
| . snip
| .
| Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.20-7), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.8.5), libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.10.0-2), libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2), libcairo2-dev, libx11-dev (>= 2:1.0.0-6), libxext-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxi-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxfixes-dev, pkg-config
| .
| . snip
| .
| $ apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0
| Package: libgtk2.0-0
| .
| . snip
| .
| Version: 2.8.20-7
| Depends: libgtk2.0-common (= 2.8.20-7), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libjpeg62, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1
`----

What else have you got in your /etc/apt/sources.conf?  I think that if
you were just using Etch packages you'd be in good shape for this.  I
rebuild from CVS every few days on this system, and it's Etch +
backports and nothing else.
-- 
Charles Sebold                                    12th of November, 2008
 GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) | Gnus v5.11 | org-mode 6.12a
 

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[rustom]

On Nov 12, 9:49 pm, Charles Sebold <cseb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2008, rustom wrote:
>
> > Giving up (on building emacs 23 on debian etch)
>
> > The latest error I get is
> > configure wants glib
> > glib wants gtk
> > and then apt bails out saying
>
> > libgtk2.0-dev:
> > Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (=2.8.20-7) but 2.10.13-2~bpo.1 is to be
> > installed
>
> I am running Etch, and here's what I get when I check libgtk2.0-dev and
> libgtk2.0-0:
>
> ,----
> | $ apt-cache show libgtk2.0-dev
> | Package: libgtk2.0-dev
> | .
> | . snip
> | .
> | Version: 2.8.20-7
> | .
> | . snip
> | .
> | Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.20-7), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.8.5), libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.10.0-2), libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2), libcairo2-dev, libx11-dev (>= 2:1.0.0-6), libxext-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxi-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxfixes-dev, pkg-config
> | .
> | . snip
> | .
> | $ apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0
> | Package: libgtk2.0-0
> | .
> | . snip
> | .
> | Version: 2.8.20-7
> | Depends: libgtk2.0-common (= 2.8.20-7), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libjpeg62, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1
> `----
>
> What else have you got in your /etc/apt/sources.conf?  I think that if
> you were just using Etch packages you'd be in good shape for this.  I
> rebuild from CVS every few days on this system, and it's Etch +
> backports and nothing else.
> --
> Charles Sebold                                    12th of November, 2008
>  GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) | Gnus v5.11 | org-mode 6.12a

Yes I guess thats the problem:
I wanted to try using conkeror ( http://conkeror.org/ ) so that I
could use emacs(like) key bindings in a firefox like browser. Towards
that, conkeror wanted some 'more latest' xulrunner than came with etch
which wanted a 'more latest' libgtk (dont obviously remember the
version numbers and am not on a linux box right now).  I got this
libgtk from a non-standard repo which involved fudging the
sources.list.

Ironically I gave up on conkeror because I needed foxmarks and other
such firefox plugins and I will have have to downgrade the libgtk if I
want consistency of versions

Dependency hell its called I think :-)

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Jonathan Groll]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:12:25PM -0800, rustom wrote:
>On Nov 12, 9:49 pm, Charles Sebold <cseb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Nov 2008, rustom wrote:
>>
>> > Giving up (on building emacs 23 on debian etch)
>>
>> > The latest error I get is
>> > configure wants glib
>> > glib wants gtk
>> > and then apt bails out saying
>>
>> > libgtk2.0-dev:
>> > Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (=2.8.20-7) but 2.10.13-2~bpo.1 is to be
>> > installed
>>
>> I am running Etch, and here's what I get when I check libgtk2.0-dev and
>> libgtk2.0-0:
>>
>> ,----
>> | $ apt-cache show libgtk2.0-dev
>> | Package: libgtk2.0-dev
>> | .
>> | . snip
>> | .
>> | Version: 2.8.20-7
>> | .
>> | . snip
>> | .
>> | Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.20-7), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.8.5), libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.10.0-2), libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2), libcairo2-dev, libx11-dev (>= 2:1.0.0-6), libxext-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxi-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxfixes-dev, pkg-config
>> | .
>> | . snip
>> | .
>> | $ apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0
>> | Package: libgtk2.0-0
>> | .
>> | . snip
>> | .
>> | Version: 2.8.20-7
>> | Depends: libgtk2.0-common (= 2.8.20-7), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libjpeg62, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libtiff4, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1
>> `----
>>
>> What else have you got in your /etc/apt/sources.conf?  I think that if
>> you were just using Etch packages you'd be in good shape for this.  I
>> rebuild from CVS every few days on this system, and it's Etch +
>> backports and nothing else.
>
>Yes I guess thats the problem:
>I wanted to try using conkeror ( http://conkeror.org/ ) so that I
>could use emacs(like) key bindings in a firefox like browser. Towards
>that, conkeror wanted some 'more latest' xulrunner than came with etch
>which wanted a 'more latest' libgtk (dont obviously remember the
>version numbers and am not on a linux box right now).  I got this
>libgtk from a non-standard repo which involved fudging the
>sources.list.
>
>Ironically I gave up on conkeror because I needed foxmarks and other
>such firefox plugins and I will have have to downgrade the libgtk if I
>want consistency of versions
>
>Dependency hell its called I think :-)

One way to avoid this dependancy hell is to use the netBSD pkgsrc
system (which is cross platform and even works under Linux). It will
build all needed versions of libraries automatically for you, and keep
them separated by dropping them in the /usr/pkg/ folder by default
instead of /usr. A quick change of $PATH for the user and it all runs
fine. Just last week I succesfully built emacs 23 snapshot using
pkgsrc on an ubuntu intrepid ibex system. 

However, on ibex there is a perfectly good PPA repository for emacs
23, which is what I would recommend, especially since the PPA build of
emacs-snapshot has gnome support built-in, something that I failed to
get to compile (all of the gnome dependancies) under pkgsrc.

Cheers,
Jonathan.

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Jean Magnan de Bornier]

Jonathan Groll <lists@groll.co.za> wrote :

| However, on ibex there is a perfectly good PPA repository for emacs
| 23, which is what I would recommend, especially since the PPA build of
| emacs-snapshot has gnome support built-in, something that I failed to
| get to compile (all of the gnome dependancies) under pkgsrc.

Hi Jonathan,
Can you be more specific? Where can I find this package? 
Before intrepid I used Alex Vassaloti's package at

http://ppa.launchpad.net/avassalotti/ubuntu/dists/ 

but he didn't do one for intrepid :-(

Or is it the standard ubuntu emacs23 you're talking about?

tia,
-- 
Jean
GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.14.3)
 of 2008-10-13 on rothera, modified by Debian

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Jonathan Groll]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 08:21:09PM +0100, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
>Jonathan Groll <lists@groll.co.za> wrote :
>
>| However, on ibex there is a perfectly good PPA repository for emacs
>| 23, which is what I would recommend, especially since the PPA build of
>| emacs-snapshot has gnome support built-in, something that I failed to
>| get to compile (all of the gnome dependancies) under pkgsrc.
>
>Hi Jonathan,
>Can you be more specific? Where can I find this package? 
>Before intrepid I used Alex Vassaloti's package at
>
>http://ppa.launchpad.net/avassalotti/ubuntu/dists/ 
>
>but he didn't do one for intrepid :-(
>


It's this one, from earlier in this very thread:
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/+archive

Add this to your sources.list:
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-elisp/ubuntu intrepid main

According to http://emacs.orebokech.com/ emacs-snapshot is updated
weekly from the CVS trunk.

Cheers,
Jonathan

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Jean Magnan de Bornier]

Jonathan Groll <lists@groll.co.za> wrote :

| On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 08:21:09PM +0100, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
| >Jonathan Groll <lists@groll.co.za> wrote :
| >
| >| However, on ibex there is a perfectly good PPA repository for emacs
| >| 23, which is what I would recommend, especially since the PPA build of
| >| emacs-snapshot has gnome support built-in, something that I failed to
| >| get to compile (all of the gnome dependancies) under pkgsrc.
| >
| >Hi Jonathan,
| > Can you be more specific? Where can I find this package? Before
| > intrepid I used Alex Vassaloti's package at
| >
| > http://ppa.launchpad.net/avassalotti/ubuntu/dists/ 
| >
| >but he didn't do one for intrepid :-(
| >
>
>
| It's this one, from earlier in this very thread:
| https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/+archive
>
| Add this to your sources.list:
| deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-elisp/ubuntu intrepid main
>
| According to http://emacs.orebokech.com/ emacs-snapshot is updated
| weekly from the CVS trunk.
>
| Cheers,
| Jonathan
>
>
Thanks, I'll try that one soon!

Cheers,
-- 
  Jean

Re: What is the best way to get emacs23?

[Brian Adkins]

Mauricio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com> writes:

> Brian Adkins a écrit :
>> Mauricio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to use emacs23 in Ubuntu 8.10. What
>>> do you think is the best (or safest) way to do that?
>>
>> Here's what I did:
>> http://lojic.com/blog/2008/02/07/nice-fonts-for-gnu-emacs-on-ubuntu-linux/
>>
>>
>
> Great. I didn't even know 22 was supposed to
> have nice fonts.

I think you may have misread the article. For example:

"I had heard that the new version of emacs (22) provided anti-aliased
fonts, but apparently I was mistaken."

"After making emacs from the cvs sources, it reports its version as
23.0.60.2."

In other words, I ended up building Emacs 23 to get nice fonts.

Of course, since that article, I've switched to Mac OSX as my primary
dev environment, so I just installed Carbon Emacs and everything works
fine :) I love Linux, but the time savings I get with OSX easily pays
for the additional cost for Mac hardware and OSX, so my use of Linux
is for servers only now.

-- 
Brian Adkins
http://www.lojic.com/
http://lojic.com/blog/