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From: Anil <anil@null.invalid>
Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:16:49 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <121220021419243187%anil@null.invalid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 121220021324043990%ajanta@no.spam


Since unix routinely keeps a system-wide log on every file, I am
wondering if it would be desirable to extend that a little. 

Let us say a slightly enhanced version of "ls" could tell you not only
that a file is owned by root, wheel, etc., but also "belongs" to the
System or a user or a package like TeX or Emacs-29.9, and maybe even
its type within that package (src, doc, bin...). This requires one or
two more file attributes, but then you could check on an individual
file with "ls" or list all files belonging to a package with "find".

I think unix was conceptualized for small systems and programs, where a
user might know every file, where it came from, what it does. Either
you wrote it yourself or copied it from a friend. Those times are gone.
We have hundreds of thousands of files, know nothing about them, and
routinely install packages that bring thousands of files. The culture
and the tools have not evolved to deal with this reality and perhaps
need to. 

Shouldn't you be able to know just what a particular file named
"dtabttf" doing on your system? Similarly, while I am glad to know a
files's relationship to "wheel", it would also be useful to know it
belongs to emacs or TeX.

Anil Trivedi

  reply	other threads:[~2002-12-12 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found] ` <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com>
     [not found]   ` <x5k7ipl35x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
2002-12-06 11:14     ` Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not? Ajanta
2002-12-06 10:27       ` Raffael Herzog
2002-12-06 14:28         ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-06 14:49       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-06 14:52       ` Schone Mullerin
2002-12-06 17:35         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-06 21:30           ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 Ajanta
2002-12-06 23:07             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-07  7:53               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 14:18                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-07 18:53                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 21:53                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-09 19:29                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-09 23:49                       ` For Andrew Choi/Enrico Franconi: Bug in Emacs 21.3.50 Ajanta
2002-12-09 23:21                         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-10 13:39                         ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-10 18:23                           ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Ajanta
2002-12-10 17:31                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 17:48                               ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 17:59                                 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 18:01                                   ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 21:14                                 ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 12:56                                   ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                             ` <101220021416559254\x04%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found]                               ` <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-11 18:29                                 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-11 19:51                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 19:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology Henrik Enberg
2002-12-11 20:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12  3:51                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 11:49                                         ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 16:30                                           ` Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-12 19:43                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:03                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  9:03                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-16 16:09                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 20:13                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 16:02                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13 16:36                                                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 18:59                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:41                                                     ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 19:42                                                   ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12 23:09                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:05                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:49                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:21                                             ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 21:16                                               ` Anil [this message]
2002-12-13  8:56                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 11:24                                                 ` Francis Burton
2002-12-16 16:04                                                 ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 21:52                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-16 21:02                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  5:55                                                       ` Anil
2002-12-20 15:51                                                         ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17  9:41                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 17:34                                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-17 17:55                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 22:14                                                           ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-18  6:22                                                           ` Jonathon Isaac Swiderski
2002-12-18  8:51                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:54                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:19                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 19:31                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-16 21:59                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-17  9:54                                                   ` jdf23
2002-12-20 16:01                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13  8:54                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:53                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-16 15:59                                               ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17 18:29                                                 ` Ajanta
2002-12-17 22:24                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:32                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:22                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 14:16                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 14:44                                                           ` Fredrik Staxeng
     [not found]                                                             ` <fstx+u@update.uu.se>
2002-12-19 15:36                                                               ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 22:19                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:13                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21 12:31                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-21 23:15                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-22  2:54                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22 10:46                                                                   ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-23 19:42                                                                     ` David Masterson
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.420.1040313026.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-19 16:47                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-19 21:13                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-21  0:17                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 21:14                                                           ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 23:38                                                             ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 19:06                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:51                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 20:44                                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:14                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:55                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.464.1040400348.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 19:09                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:27                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:24                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21  2:32                                                               ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-21 12:50                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-20 15:41                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:44                                                         ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:38                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.343.1040149880.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-17 22:33                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-17 23:17                                                       ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:34                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:20                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-19  7:47                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:36                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:01                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:34                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:58                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-24  6:24                                                           ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-26 18:20                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-27  3:14                                                               ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27  4:35                                                                 ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                                                 ` <mailman.637.1040963855.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-27 12:48                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27 15:39                                                                     ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-28  2:49                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-28 13:54                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 14:11                                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-31 20:08                                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-27 17:36                                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-28  1:02                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 11:07                                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-28 13:44                                                                       ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-28 13:49                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-31 20:05                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:32                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 16:00                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                       ` <ams@kemisten.nu>
2002-12-20 20:00                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 20:25                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-20 20:34                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 21:01                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.482.1040418304.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 21:40                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-20 21:59                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:25                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-21 15:55                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.498.1040486166.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-21 16:22                                                             ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                                                   ` <ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-17 18:29                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-24  0:05                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-12 23:14                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 23:44                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:11                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 14:11                                         ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 20:50                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 20:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 23:02                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:29                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-13 10:12                                                 ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.179.1039743000.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-13 19:11                                                   ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:32                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  0:33                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:27                                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-12 21:28                                             ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:30                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-11 20:49                                     ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12  4:44                                       ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12  4:58                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12  6:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-12 14:50                                         ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-12 19:40                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:39                                           ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:35                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12 23:23                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-11 21:34                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-10  5:23             ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 David Combs
2002-12-10  8:29               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07  8:19 ` Thanks to all (Re: Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not?) new2osx
2002-12-07  9:35   ` David Kastrup

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