From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ajanta Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:50:17 GMT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <121220021352537730%ajanta@no.spam> References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com> <061220020416350201%ajanta@no.spam> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021253524057%ajanta@no.spam> <5l65u0i8zj.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <111220022053507599%ajanta@no.spam> <5l1y4niayi.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1039723906 17629 80.91.224.249 (12 Dec 2002 20:11:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18MZfs-0004Wt-00 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:11:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18MZQh-0005go-04 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:55:31 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-xfer.cox.net!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.5.10 (Carbon/OS X) Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.181.243 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1039726217 ST000 67.37.181.243 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:50:17 CST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:50:17 CST X-UserInfo1: TSU[@I_AOHVORRXXZROVO]@@QB^FBL@MAHU^_BAMEH]TCDYG^WHEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:348735 gnu.emacs.help:108053 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4584 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4584 Stefan Monnier wrote: > Do you have anything concrete like filenames so we might be able > to do something about it or at least explain why things are the > way they are ? Obviously, I have failed to express myself. As you said, emacs has close to 3,000 files. If I install ten similarly large packages, that is 30,000 files. I don't want to get to know them personally. What I want is to be able to install and uninstall such packages cleanly and safely. > > As I mentioned in the beginning post of this thread, the distribution > > of Emacs 21.3.50 that I got for Mac OSX has *three* executables of > > All under the single `Emacs.app' directory. Seems clean enough to me. I mentioned that as a different kind of bug: 3 files where 1 is needed, 16 MB of wasted space. > PS: I'm not quite sure what you want w.r.t the non-english language support. > Do you also consider it as clutter? If so how and why ? At present the languages number in 10's but soon it may be 100's. I am glad they are included. It is not clutter in the *distribution*, but it becomes clutter in my *system* if I am stuck with it all with no tools to safely select *my* language(s). An analogy might be to ship a fat distribution with binaries for every cpu architecture and OS, and expect a user to keep everything because it is a lot of work to separate them. That would be stupid. IMHO it would be equally stupid to force people to keep 100's of languages they have no prayer of learning/understanding/needing in one lifetime. A