From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: rustom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: An alternative to a monolithic ~/.emacs init file Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:52:43 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1195012363.196769.13490@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> References: <1194455637.485972.177570@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <1194544126.425679.261670@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1194697099.703581.205890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1194794977.329113.117040@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <8764075ds7.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <1194927694.712025.269720@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wssm4htk.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1195015242 1302 80.91.229.12 (14 Nov 2007 04:40:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:40:42 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 14 05:40:46 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IsA3O-0008C1-Ry for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:40:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsA3C-0006lI-6q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:30 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.26.195 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1195012363 10284 127.0.0.1 (14 Nov 2007 03:52:43 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:52:43 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87wssm4htk.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070508 Iceweasel/2.0.0.4 (Debian-2.0.0.4-0etch1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.26.195; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:153792 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:49231 Archived-At: Thanks Tim for the pointers. On Nov 13, 2:26 pm, Tim X wrote: > Ah, yep, your running into one of the issues with using a distro packaging > system. Packages like ecb depend on a stand alone speedbar package (as do > the others you listed, but don't know about speedbar now being packaged in > emacs itself. I'm not sure if you could use the force option to apt to > install ecb or not. The other issue may also be that I think the bundled > speedbar version in emacs 22 is older than the version in the stand alone > package (at least, this was the case some time back before emacs 22 was > released.) This is clearly a bigger problem than people are accepting: viz that there are large systems of packages which are tolerably consistent in themselves but dont talk nice to each other -- think of apt <-> emacs apt <-> ruby/python eclipse <-> python apt <-> webmin I believe that a decent response to this issue will need: 1. A carefully thought-out standardized data oriented way (not XML please!) for managing package repos 2. An event driven engine maybe along the lines of upstart see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit 3. built on an SOA backbone. Yeah I know that programmers are likely to think of this as unsubstantiated hype but when we do apt-get install foo we are using an SOA