From: William Case <billlinux@rogers.com>
To: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>
Cc: Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu -- TYPO
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:29:14 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1185294554.2883.196.camel@CASE> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1185292355.2883.181.camel@CASE>
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 11:52 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Hi;
>
> Just to add some real life experience.
>
> On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 17:25 +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> > Am 24.07.2007 um 14:30 schrieb Pascal Bourguignon:
> >
> [snip]
> > Yes, that's another item: a function or variable name in English
> > describes itself to most GNU Emacs users. I often wonder whether I
> > should use English or German names for variables or macros in LaTeX,
> > Shell, or Perl. When I am sure that the source won't reach the
> > Internet, then German is fine.
> >
> > And now imagine the function or variable names are also written in
> > Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Arabic, Indic, Cyrillic letters ...
> >
> >
> > Anyway, I think and feel an "official" interface for Unicode enabled
> > localisation of menus and their entries and of messages in *Messages*
> > buffer and/or echo area is needed. There is no need to let the nice
> > Latin script dominate the whole world.
>
> I live in Ottawa, and have lived most my life in Eastern Canda. My
> mother tongue is English, but I can speak enough French not to starve to
> death, find a place to live etc. etc.
>
> I recently bought a brand name printer. The front end instructions were
> in English. All the error codes, readmes, manuals etc. were in French.
> Me and Mr. Roget always end up with nonsense when we try to read one of
^^^^^^^^^ M. Larousse
> those manuals. My francophone friends assure me it is just as
> frustrating the other way around.
>
> On the other side, the Canadian government requires that most equipment
> purchased by the Federal Government come with French documentation as
> well as English. Those francophone friends of mine who work on and
> maintain that equipment (from computers to fighter planes) confess that
> they always use the English manuals. They say they do so because the
> original manuals tend to be more accurate than the translated manuals
> and because just sharing one manual at work insures that they see any
> hand written notes or update memos.
>
> There are arguments for both sides. I come down on the side that says
> let a person have what they want or need within their own personal
> space. For the rest, as the world gets smaller and smaller we are all
> going to be bumping into someone else's language. We had better get
> used to it. We had better figure out how to handle it. What's going to
> happen if the next killer app comes out of China or Uganda?
>
--
Regards Bill
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2007-07-23 12:03 Why emacs have not native language menu lu
2007-07-23 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-23 22:42 ` lu
2007-07-24 0:17 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 0:36 ` Nick Roberts
2007-07-24 1:00 ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 8:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
[not found] ` <mailman.3832.1185238836.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 7:48 ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 11:19 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:23 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.3854.1185275992.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 11:35 ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2007-07-24 12:10 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:50 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:11 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-24 15:21 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <mailman.3880.1185290519.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:30 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 18:51 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-25 20:00 ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals (was: Emacs localization ...) Reiner Steib
2007-07-26 3:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 4:42 ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals Katsumi Yamaoka
2007-07-26 12:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 11:45 ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 10:05 ` Why emacs have not native language menu Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 11:12 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:21 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469\x04A@Web.DE>
[not found] ` <mailman.3855.1185276075.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:54 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:00 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:40 ` William Case
2007-07-24 15:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.3874.1185289573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 5:53 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.3866.1185285646.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 14:26 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:57 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <mailman.3873.1185289068.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:02 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25 5:16 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25 6:44 ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 6:55 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25 10:38 ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 16:47 ` William Case
[not found] ` <mailman.3973.1185382240.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:28 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25 9:36 ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 11:15 ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 12:01 ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 13:06 ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 13:17 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-26 4:16 ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 12:28 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-25 12:59 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
[not found] ` <mailman.3943.1185346523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:51 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25 12:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <mailman.3957.1185365137.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 12:31 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:56 ` Pascal Bourguignon
[not found] ` <mailman.3850.1185275133.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:30 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 15:25 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:52 ` William Case
2007-07-24 16:29 ` William Case [this message]
2007-07-24 18:40 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.3826.1185230563.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 3:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-24 11:29 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 12:18 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:24 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:39 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <mailman.3860.1185279523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:48 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:10 ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:02 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:19 ` Hadron
2007-07-25 21:56 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-26 13:36 ` Hadron
2007-07-26 15:02 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 0:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:52 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 12:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 13:32 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.4046.1185495843.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 12:00 ` Hadron
2007-07-27 15:00 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <mailman.4017.1185462177.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:31 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 21:01 ` ryofurue
2007-07-26 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 15:03 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-26 16:02 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <mailman.4022.1185465812.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 16:56 ` Pascal Bourguignon
[not found] ` <mailman.4016.1185461692.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 17:57 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-27 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 20:35 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-28 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 15:12 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.3872.1185289026.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 15:57 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 21:46 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25 10:42 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:07 ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:09 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25 0:48 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25 5:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-25 8:11 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.3947.1185351202.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:19 ` Ilya Zakharevich
[not found] ` <200707251019.l6PAJ3Zu021410@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu>
2007-07-25 12:22 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.3958.1185366162.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 20:25 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25 20:34 ` Pascal Bourguignon
[not found] ` <mailman.3810.1185219229.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 7:41 ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-24 11:12 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 11:53 ` David Hansen
2007-07-24 12:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:21 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:27 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
[not found] ` <mailman.3853.1185275573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:32 ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:45 ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26 8:12 ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:31 ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26 8:00 ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-26 8:16 ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-26 19:35 ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26 11:33 ` Hadron
2007-07-26 14:20 ` David Hansen
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