From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: William Case Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is there any good website for emacs newbie? Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 16:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1178309792.17374.80.camel@CASE> References: <1178245635.686969.214290@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <1178256690.626492.147500@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <1178307259.17374.55.camel@CASE> <87vef8z7t6.fsf@moley.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178309817 21557 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2007 20:16:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 20:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Sebastian Tennant Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 04 22:16:55 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hk4Cu-0004DQ-1B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 22:16:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4JZ-0000DS-2M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:23:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4JM-0000D9-1V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:23:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4JJ-0000Cx-1v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:23:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk4JI-0000Cu-SE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:23:24 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.36.83]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hk4Cc-0006Hx-Qm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 16:16:30 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 41743 invoked from network); 4 May 2007 20:16:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mpdEaNlfzROBmNDq46F8vvL5ekkjzPDFs5oAsMALpVd3lxGflYOJOTjTPhjOiBF9TzIfPfDgTz4SbnxlSnOKR0hB8RTbVpStUWRsni1IJm8Y++dB2bADGiuth7/q0FWkr3lPDh9SLpJPPdkIlsTdKYWVEjmQjpfmJEr6n/ZCbRY= ; Original-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.4?) (billlinux@rogers.com@74.104.51.86 with plain) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2007 20:16:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W3b_1LAVM1nquGsh0gCCjgIqCiS.Uf8oHQd1fEoGyj3EuXLNGcRVSKf3hGzhvBS66g-- In-Reply-To: <87vef8z7t6.fsf@moley.org> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43696 Archived-At: Hi Sebastian; It's Friday afternoon, I live in a government city (Ottawa) so all work has stopped, and your dealing with a recent Emacs zealot. On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 22:51 +0300, Sebastian Tennant wrote: > Quoth William Case : > > Lisp's mind twist into utter simplicity is only matched by the > > simplicity of double entry bookkeeping. > > Funny, earlier in this thread I found myself saying 'it's so simple it > hurts'. > Yea, I thought I would toss it back and see if anyone caught it. > Don't you think we should be careful with the 'it's really simple' > language beacuse it's definitely _not_ simple to a newcomer? > Your right. One shouldn't confuse simplicity with easy. > I guess the point I'm really making isn't a point at all. I just want > Lung to know that an understanding of the underlying simplicity is > really, really, _really_ worth the effort. > > Sebastian > > P.S. That double-entry bookkeeping thing... How about an 'off-topic' > thread so that we can all impress our bank managers ;-) Ah, > those were the days... I was trying to use the metaphor to say Emacs is difficult as long as you bring a lot of incorrect assumption to it. Its worth sticking at it until the day of "epiphany" when you finally get it (the actual simplicity of the thing with no assumptions needed). At least that was how it worked for me with debits and credits, and Emacs. -- Regards Bill