From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert Thorpe" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Mouse Scroll. Date: 2 Apr 2007 02:55:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1175507711.528055.215570@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> References: <1175129879.195404.156070@r56g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> <1175194133.016299.4670@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <1175264224.535035.157820@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175510254 27672 80.91.229.12 (2 Apr 2007 10:37:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:37:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 02 12:37:28 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HYJuh-0000oW-NO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:37:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYJxi-00053P-Cn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 06:40:34 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newshub.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.94.228.210 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175507713 32555 127.0.0.1 (2 Apr 2007 09:55:13 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:55:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1175264224.535035.157820@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 EMF3ASPROXY03 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.94.228.210; posting-account=hWoAPxMAAAAnBKSBz1ZivwUPPjEuve7bvVCHZQ8rhrluPfwcBJd92w Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:146752 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:42356 Archived-At: On Mar 30, 3:17 pm, jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mar 29, 2:48 pm, "Robert Thorpe" wrote: > > > On Mar 29, 1:57 am, "Daniel" wrote: > > > > (BTW, why emacs is so hard to use? It is very less intuitive to use.) > > > Sigh, It's a long story. > > Just curious, what do you mean? Seems to me that, for a terminal-based > app, Emacs is pretty easy to use -- you just need to remember or else > look up a number of key-combos. The docs are good, the integrated help > is good. Haven't really tried elisp though. If you want to use it as it comes out of the box then it's very easy to use, it works like the editors that come with common operating systems. It's just much more powerful and has slightly different keys. Writing elisp and adding support for new features isn't even that hard either, if you're OK with learning another language. There are problems though. Keymaps currently present a small problem, since the only way to modify them is through elisp. This isn't hard in simple cases but often the exact specifics of how they should be used are difficult. Most users I think act like myself when they get a new program, they use the keys that it uses, another small group of users immediately start rearranging the keys. I think the OP is one of this second group who end up wondering why everything is so hard. Loads of the enquiries from newbies on this newsgroup are from trying to rearrange keys. All that said, I can't complain, if I was really bothered I'd write some code to make it simpler.