From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: slang@yellowfrog.io Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My perspective as a mid-level user on pros/cons of different editors Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 21:56:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <1167660693.73440.1590008178278@office.mailbox.org> References: <251c030a-ade3-e945-d7a3-77cdbebc1812@yandex.ru> <8fe95ea3-05ad-fa40-54ab-494594348e9f@yandex.ru> <6f0014c2-f119-88f8-f3ac-1cd2575f69f4@yandex.ru> <90c406be-0bc8-f428-7928-461b42d12808@yandex.ru> <519b909e-6563-7f2f-9d1a-cf23fcc5d7da@yandex.ru> <011e1e8c-fec3-7df0-5778-c13f530efe5e@yandex.ru> <87tv0a4lun.fsf@gmail.com> <354a1258-c190-3994-88c7-746f36a810cf@yandex.ru> Reply-To: slang@yellowfrog.io Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="106548"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Rudi C , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora?= , Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 20 23:11:19 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVzi-000RdR-WD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:11:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44652 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVzi-0007DD-1G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:11:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVlK-0005ed-TL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:56:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mout-p-103.mailbox.org ([80.241.56.161]:27318) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbVlJ-0000We-IB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:56:26 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org (smtp1.mailbox.org [80.241.60.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-103.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49S4mP57LXzKmZB; Wed, 20 May 2020 22:56:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Original-Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.240]) by spamfilter05.heinlein-hosting.de (spamfilter05.heinlein-hosting.de [80.241.56.123]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id Gpvpn2vYEOnz; Wed, 20 May 2020 22:56:18 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B41DF1799 X-Rspamd-Score: -4.95 / 15.00 / 15.00 Received-SPF: none client-ip=80.241.56.161; envelope-from=slang@yellowfrog.io; helo=mout-p-103.mailbox.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/20 16:56:21 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251111 Archived-At: > On 20 May 2020 21:14 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: >=20 > =20 > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:23 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > > > On 20.05.2020 19:22, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > > For me, first class means to having a quirky name for it, > > > it's just there. > > > > A quirky name like xref, eww, winner, eldoc or flymake? >=20 > But a new user never types or needs to learn those, he just finds > a file and all those things are activated. He may learn the names > later on. >=20 > But OK, you're probably right, we do need a prefix/namespace > and it might as well be "eglot". Pragmatically, I'd alias M-x eglot > to ide-start-lsp or something like that. But I won't make a question > of it. >=20 > Jo=C3=A3o I've been using emacs a couple of years now (and eglot) and from my experie= nce names do not matter that much - it is more to guide the user where to l= ook and what to use - e.g. for source code navigation lsp, etags, ctags, gt= ags, dumb-jump (dumb-jump works actually really well in many situations) ..= . so they have a clear path in front of them.=20 Having an lsp client in emacs (whatever the name is) would make it possible= to tell users (can even be on a splash screen) -> to IDE type this. Simon