From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert Thorpe" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: I feel strange after several days of using emacs Date: 11 Dec 2006 11:50:35 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1165866635.321287.150380@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1165869642 23010 80.91.229.10 (11 Dec 2006 20:40:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 11 21:40:41 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Gtrwx-000397-9Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:40:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gtrww-0003wB-AS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:40:34 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.94.228.210 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1165866641 10363 127.0.0.1 (11 Dec 2006 19:50:41 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 EMF3ASPROXY03 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.94.228.210; posting-account=hWoAPxMAAAAnBKSBz1ZivwUPPjEuve7bvVCHZQ8rhrluPfwcBJd92w Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:143831 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:39433 Archived-At: Ronald wrote: > When I edit in a editor other than emacs, I will typed the hotkeys in > emacs automatically. For example, when I'm write this email in > thunderbird, I typed C-b C-j etc. Then I will think to choose to write > email in emacs, and at last do everything that need editing in emacs, or > typing mistake occurs time by time. I do that from time to time. If the keys annoy you then you can either change other program to use Emacs keys, or change Emacs to use CUA keys. Others have mentioned how. This is only a partial solution, since Emacs maps more keys than other programs do. Eventually you have to get used to it or make do with forgetting about the other useful keys. > But emacs can't do everything > properly. So I'm thinking whether I should quit. But vim has the same > problem, and others are not so convenient for programming... It's hard > to choose. Who can give me any suggestion? Firstly, pick which bits of Emacs you use. Some of them may not meet your needs, but using Emacs does not mean you have to use all of it. Ultimately it is a trade-off. Learn the keys used inside Emacs and you become more proficient inside Emacs. Sometimes you try to use them outside Emacs and they don't work, this is the downside. For me it happens infrequently enough not to be an issue. The same is true, not only of Vim, but of any reasonably sophisticated Editor. Eclipse is the same for example.