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From: david.reitter@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs)
Date: 6 Jan 2006 03:32:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1136547135.233302.98730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.42.1136512036.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>

> There is no market. Free developers don't produce
> commodities. They aren't looking for customers. They are
> freely working to create a free tool (which is always better
> than the tools which are commodities).

What good is a free tool if it isn't used?
How will people learn about the advantages of freedom, if not by
exercising it?
Isn't it naïve to think that many people will eventually use tools for
the spirit involved in their making, even though the tools are
inconvenient?
Let's strive for technically excellence through exercising our freedom!

Practically, something like the Aquamacs distribubtion and the vast
majority of software in general has started out of practical needs.
That's what Linus Torvalds says about Linux. Aquamacs has thousands of
"customers" who use it to do their jobs. They don't use it just because
it's cool to have free software installed. I personally hated the way X
deals with selection, the mouse, and copying&pasting. I hated the
non-working font settings in Emacs. I disliked the fact that the window
system isn't used to its potential. Practical needs.

Of course, there's the other view, and that's what the GNU people here
are putting forward. Developing software from an ideological starting
point. That's fine, too.

In the end, it's the combination of technical advantage and
intellectual basis that makes things attractive.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-06 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-03 15:20 Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) David Reitter
2006-01-03 15:34 ` David Kastrup
2006-01-03 16:01   ` David Reitter
2006-01-03 16:58     ` David Kastrup
2006-01-03 19:58       ` David Reitter
     [not found]     ` <mailman.21285.1136317245.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-03 20:43       ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-03 21:16         ` Lennart Borgman
2006-01-03 21:35         ` David Kastrup
2006-01-04 12:40           ` david.reitter
2006-01-04 13:28             ` David Kastrup
2006-01-04 13:56               ` david.reitter
2006-01-04 15:09                 ` David Kastrup
     [not found]         ` <mailman.21292.1136323111.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-04  0:10           ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-04  0:31             ` David Kastrup
2006-01-04  2:30               ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-04  2:44                 ` Jay Belanger
2006-01-04 23:50                   ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-05  0:39                     ` David Kastrup
2006-01-05  6:59                       ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-05  7:23                         ` Jay Belanger
2006-01-05 13:15                           ` david.reitter
2006-01-05 13:56                             ` David Kastrup
2006-01-06 11:08                               ` david.reitter
2006-01-06 12:40                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-01-06 14:16                                   ` David Reitter
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.120.1136557103.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-06 15:23                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-01-06 12:55                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-01-05 13:03                         ` David Kastrup
2006-01-05 14:10                           ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-05 14:26                             ` David Kastrup
2006-01-05 21:52                               ` Lennart Borgman
2006-01-05 22:19                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-01-05 23:21                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2006-01-05 23:49                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-01-06  0:00                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2006-01-06 11:07                                 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2006-01-06 11:36                                   ` David Kastrup
2006-01-06 12:26                                     ` Gian Uberto Lauri
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.26.1136502144.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-06 11:23                                   ` david.reitter
2006-01-05 15:55                             ` Chong Yidong
2006-01-05 19:15                         ` Luis O. Silva
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.16.1136497693.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-05 23:23                           ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-06  0:17                             ` David Kastrup
2006-01-06 21:01                               ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-06 21:22                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-01-07  4:41                                   ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-07  9:48                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-01-08  7:34                                       ` Joe Bush
2006-01-08 10:29                                         ` David Kastrup
2006-01-10  6:01                                           ` Joe Bush
2006-01-10  7:03                                             ` David Kastrup
2006-01-10 14:01                                               ` Sean Sieger
2006-01-06  2:58                             ` Luis O. Silva
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.42.1136512036.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-06 11:32                               ` david.reitter [this message]
2006-01-07 10:02                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-01-08  6:05                                   ` david.reitter
2006-01-06 21:09                               ` Tim McNamara
2006-01-06 21:42                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-01-06 21:55                                 ` Paul D. Smith
2006-01-06 22:02                                 ` Sean Sieger
2006-01-06 22:27                                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-01-07  1:43                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2006-01-07  2:03                                 ` Luis O. Silva
2006-01-07  0:56                                   ` Björn Lindström
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.209.1136595503.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-07  1:13                                     ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.183.1136585095.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-07  5:00                                   ` Tim McNamara
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.208.1136595203.26925.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-07  5:01                                   ` Tim McNamara
     [not found] <mailman.21240.1136295385.20277.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2006-01-03 14:15 ` David Kastrup
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-03 13:34 David Reitter

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