From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: david.reitter@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: 4 Jan 2006 05:56:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1136383000.006836.36600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85irt10zcb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <1136378422.426228.106470@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <85lkxwxgu0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136393895 16755 80.91.229.2 (4 Jan 2006 16:58:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 04 17:58:13 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuBxk-0005KS-64 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:58:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuBzQ-0007Lf-En for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:59:56 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 27 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.215.174.81 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1136383005 26045 127.0.0.1 (4 Jan 2006 13:56:45 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:56:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <85lkxwxgu0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051229 Camino/1.0b2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.215.174.81; posting-account=VxtxShIAAAAyATreB9RNYoFcRu4SpMFVEC9YFuAlbPn1KBMEY3FC1g Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:136797 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32416 Archived-At: > From what you wrote, it does not appear like you'd be interested in > complete records of all sources of icons and their respective > copyright holders. I call bull. I've stated time and again that such a list (with pointers, not agreements) is to be kept. I consider our little project nowhere near as important and big as XEmacs, and any comparison is out of question. The other crucial difference is that we're syncing with Emacs CVS rather than developing a fork, and we intend to keep it that way. Thirdly, it's simply untrue that developments aren't contributed back. Those that I consider worthwhile I supply myself (and anything else is publicly available and may be taken at leisure). Examples include revised modifier key configuration in the Carbon port and a new package for send-mail (mailclient). But you will appreciate that it's technically much easier for us to write packages and patches in the context of Aquamacs, where we're not cross-platform. Most of the added features can't be integrated at this stage anyways. Lastly, I've found many friendly and cooperative people among those responsible for the development, and it's exciting to contribute. But where the tone changes to become downright negative, just because one's perspective e.g. on user interfaces differs, well, then I can't be arsed to fight for stuff to be included, as the brits say.