From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: covici@ccs.covici.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Use Core Text for Cocoa Emacs Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 07:34:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1118.1274528081@ccs.covici.com> References: <94E6FF46-4227-4DA2-BE35-C64908558378@gmail.com> <18325.1274214480@ccs.covici.com> <24612.1274240176@ccs.covici.com> <6FB96086-3851-4AAB-BA98-4D4C7ED94F7D@mit.edu> <9342.1274324397@ccs.covici.com> <4BF4CF6E.4040105@gnu.org> <11778.1274337231@ccs.covici.com> <87sk5kifgy.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> <7733CBB7-C71D-4DC3-B256-5C91C68EF0C5@gmail.com> <4BF7BB6D.30001@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274528101 30383 80.91.229.12 (22 May 2010 11:35:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Adrian Robert , Jason Rumney , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3FISO-8859-1=3FQ=3FJan=5FDj=3DE4rv=3F=3D?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 22 13:34:59 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFmyo-0000LX-Sy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 13:34:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53757 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OFmyo-0005sq-Ar for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:34:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37145 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OFmyi-0005qT-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:34:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFmyg-0001EX-SI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:34:52 -0400 Original-Received: from wlym.com ([66.135.63.43]:46353) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFmyg-0001ER-Nn; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:34:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ccs.covici.com (pool-96-247-205-104.clppva.fios.verizon.net [96.247.205.104]) (authenticated bits=128) by wlym.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id o4MBUtMt008511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 22 May 2010 06:30:57 -0500 Original-Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o4MBYfBM001119; Sat, 22 May 2010 07:34:44 -0400 In-reply-to: <4BF7BB6D.30001@swipnet.se> Comments: In-reply-to =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3FISO-8859-1=3FQ=3FJan=5FDj=3DE4rv?= =?us-ascii?Q?=3F=3D?= message dated "Sat, 22 May 2010 13:09:33 +0200." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.1.1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125056 Archived-At: Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: >=20 >=20 > Adrian Robert skrev 2010-05-22 10.21: > > >=20 > > So you're saying they did what ended up being an inferior job of produc= ing > > accessibility APIs.. I still don't see how that is the same as saying "= the > > heck with you". Maybe Apple feels its more difficult API results in a > > better experience for end users, and that it's better to have a few good > > apps then many less good ones. Or maybe it doesn't, but it was just too > > difficult for them to implement something as clean as the Windows appro= ach > > given the framework environment they were starting from. I don't know = the > > technical details here but I suspect both accessibility approaches were > > retrofits. > > >=20 > Gnome/Gtk+ also has a separate accessibility-API. And emacs is not accessible in that environment either. --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com