From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ajanta Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:51:15 GMT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <111220022053507599%ajanta@no.spam> References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com> <061220020416350201%ajanta@no.spam> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021253524057%ajanta@no.spam> <5l65u0i8zj.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1039661847 28305 80.91.224.249 (12 Dec 2002 02:57:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18MJXQ-0007MG-00 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:57:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18MJVc-0004qc-06 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:55:32 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.5.10 (Carbon/OS X) Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.36.188.206 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1039665075 ST000 67.36.188.206 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:51:15 CST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:51:15 CST X-UserInfo1: T[OQBYCDYBSWSRP[KBJVOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\BPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:348658 gnu.emacs.help:108021 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4552 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4552 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > "EnglishOnly" > And "FrenchOnly" and "GermanOnly" and "EnglishAndFrenchOnly" and > "ChineseAndEnglishOnly" and ... ? > Or are you going to claim that we should not care about non-English users ? Well, there are *hundreds* of langauges in the world: which one would you not want to "care" about? Sooner or later "internationalization" has got to mean not just *adding* things but also *selecting* them. Maybe this should be done at configure stage, via options, or interactively, oe some other way. It is for the programmers to figure out the best way, but the time to start thinking about it is now. > > Why is that comparable with the clutter of tens of MB and 100's of files > > scattered around? > > Could you expand on your "scattered around" ? I didn't keep a tally but here is an example. I recently I obtained a beta distribution (not emacs) which didn't work out (fair enough, that's a known risk in beta) and I deleted it. Or so I thought. I still keep running into some files from it. What gives me pause is that these are the ones I recognize because of the way they are named. There are many whose names mean nothing to me, I don't know which program they belong to, so they'll lie around. (At first, I did take a shot in the dark and tried "make uninstall", but it didn't work.) As I mentioned in the beginning post of this thread, the distribution of Emacs 21.3.50 that I got for Mac OSX has *three* executables of identical size but different inodes. This makes no sense at all. A