From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "rgb" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: 18 Mar 2005 23:57:23 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1111219043.820733.143980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111219092 6602 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 07:58:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 08:58:12 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCYqX-00025B-Py for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:58:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCZ7C-0006U6-6t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:15:22 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 25 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.74.20.77 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1111219048 7811 127.0.0.1 (19 Mar 2005 07:57:28 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:57:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.74.20.77; posting-account=C7LM4w0AAAD23IRuMuUUJVCLQTuHhTK8 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129377 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24932 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24932 > > Better put: > > > > alias newbie-emacs=nano # or pico > > > > in your ~/.bashrc > > Sigh. When some people sees how I work with Emacs they want to learn it. > The idea is to relieve the initial pain of meeting Emacs the first time, > so that they don't give it up in disgust, before they get to know it > better. > Here here! Most of my colleagues say wow how do I get that program. When I hand them a CD and say here you go they dash off immediately. Next time I see them they're like ... it's too complicated, I don't have time to learn all that... It isn't really. But the tutorial only teaches the `hard way' and the defaults have the cool stuff turned off so you must learn all about customizing and what's available and how to turn each feature on before your really using it. Even transient-mark-mode is off by default.