* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
@ 2005-03-08 14:50 Gian Uberto Lauri
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From: Gian Uberto Lauri @ 2005-03-08 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Sorry if this breaks the threading (and if it's a repeated posting...)
>>>>> "UH" == Ulrich Hobelmann <u.hobelmann@web.de> writes:
UH> Thanks! That solves the display problem.
UH> Emacs doesn't work with the Mac input method, though (alt-s doesn't do
UH> ß, but §). I suspect the Alt key is mapped for something...
Using the Emacs Input Method (I prefer this since I use Emacs in 3
differnt OS) solves the problem. You can choose between german prefix
where ß is the result of the sequence " and s (prefix version work
somethin like iso-accents-mode, so wovels with umlauts are entered
with the sequence " (wovel)) and german postfix where you get the same
result by hitting s and then z. In this mode wovels with umlauts are
entered typing what I think is the "no umlaut version" of the word (I
don't speak German -blame on me- so I'm not sure...).
>> Hmmm... I think thak the use of mac roman is in second place for
>> deserving a rightful spanking (for Apple developers) after the
>> implementation of cp, mv and so on ... :)
>>
UH> What's wrong with cp, mv ...?
UH> Aren't they just from FreeBSD?
The commands do come from BSD or GNU. But the filesystem not, and
those smarties did not adapt the commands to the filesystem.
So if you cp a file you cp just the data losing the extended
attributes. mv should behave likewise too. There are a couple of
utilities that fix this in the development stuff. I never used them as
I use my iMac as a Unix box and I don't care of the other file forks
(btw does someone know a free utility to repartition the disk to make
place to an healy Debian GNU/Linux ?).
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* Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
@ 2005-03-07 6:17 Ulrich Hobelmann
2005-03-07 6:55 ` roodwriter
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From: Ulrich Hobelmann @ 2005-03-07 6:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
I just can't stop it...
I guess the default encoding of Emacs is ISO-Latin-1, at least that's
what I want to use anyway.
How can I input accented characters / German Umlauts, etc.?
Actually I think the problem is not the input, but the font: how do I
change my
(set-face-font 'default "-apple-Bitstream Vera Sans
Mono-regular-r-normal--13-140-75-75-m-120-mac-roman")
to use ISO-Latin-1 encoding instead of mac-roman? The documentation
didn't really help me there... (and my tries were worthless)
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-07 6:17 Ulrich Hobelmann
@ 2005-03-07 6:55 ` roodwriter
2005-03-07 14:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-07 9:55 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: roodwriter @ 2005-03-07 6:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Ulrich Hobelmann wrote:
> I just can't stop it...
>
> I guess the default encoding of Emacs is ISO-Latin-1, at least that's
> what I want to use anyway.
>
> How can I input accented characters / German Umlauts, etc.?
>
> Actually I think the problem is not the input, but the font: how do I
> change my
> (set-face-font 'default "-apple-Bitstream Vera Sans
> Mono-regular-r-normal--13-140-75-75-m-120-mac-roman")
> to use ISO-Latin-1 encoding instead of mac-roman? The documentation
> didn't really help me there... (and my tries were worthless)
I don't know if the font makes a difference, but have you tried M-x
iso-accents-mode?
Here are most of them:
A " and a vowel produce ö.
A ` and a vowel produce à.
A 'and a vowel produce á.
A tilde gives you ñ, ç, ¡, ¿
A ^ and a vowel gives you ô.
--Rod
Author of "Linux for Non-Geeks--Clear-eyed Answers for Practical Consumers"
and "Boring Stories from Uncle Rod." Both are available at
http://www.rodwriterpublishing.com/index.html.
To reply take the extra "o" out of the name.
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-07 6:55 ` roodwriter
@ 2005-03-07 14:23 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2005-03-07 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
> I don't know if the font makes a difference, but have you tried M-x
> iso-accents-mode?
I recommend you don't try that. iso-accents-mode is an old package that was
designed before Emacs was extended to support all kinds of funny charsets.
It still mostly works but has a few misfeatures.
Nowadays you should use input-methods instead. Try C-\ (or C-u C-\ to see
what are your options).
Stefan
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-07 6:17 Ulrich Hobelmann
2005-03-07 6:55 ` roodwriter
@ 2005-03-07 9:55 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-03-07 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-08 4:32 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
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From: Peter Dyballa @ 2005-03-07 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Am 07.03.2005 um 07:17 schrieb Ulrich Hobelmann:
> I guess the default encoding of Emacs is ISO-Latin-1, at least that's
> what I want to use anyway.
>
> How can I input accented characters / German Umlauts, etc.?
The Carbon variant is Mac Roman. It accept the umlauts and other 8 bit
characters from your keyboard.
You could try some of these:
(setq process-connection-type t)
(require 'site-fontsets-carbon)
;(setq mac-command-key-is-meta nil)
(set-language-environment 'German)
(setq file-name-coding-system 'utf-8)
(setq default-buffer-file-coding-system 'mac-roman-unix)
(set-default-coding-systems 'mac-roman-unix)
(set-keyboard-coding-system 'mac-roman)
(prefer-coding-system 'mac-roman-unix)
(global-set-key [kp-delete] 'delete-char)
(set-default-coding-systems 'iso-latin-9-unix)
(set-keyboard-coding-system 'iso-latin-9)
(prefer-coding-system 'iso-latin-9-unix)
(setq mac-transparency-alpha 80)
(setq initial-frame-alist '(
(mouse-color . "midnightblue")
(foreground-color . "midnightblue")
(background-color . "antiquewhite1")
(font . "fontset-14pt_bitstream_courier")
(top . 10) (left . 650) (width . 89) (height . 60)))
(setq default-frame-alist '(
(background-color . "ghost white")
(foreground-color . "grey10")
(vertical-scroll-bars . left)
(font . "fontset-12pt_lucidasans_typewriter")
(cursor-color . "purple")
(cursor-type . box)
(top . 20) (left . 150) (width . 89) (height . 56)))
and look into the archves of the Mac OS X Emacs list, around last
Christmas I published there a list of fontsets for the Carbon and X11
environments, but the latter one is probably a bit incorrect:
------------------------------- Info --------------------------------
List Post: <mailto:macosx-emacs@email.esm.psu.edu>
List Archives: <http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/MacOSX-Emacs-Digests/>
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete
For some reason, this fortune reminds everyone of Marvin Zelkowitz.
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-07 6:17 Ulrich Hobelmann
2005-03-07 6:55 ` roodwriter
2005-03-07 9:55 ` Peter Dyballa
@ 2005-03-07 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-08 4:45 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
[not found] ` <mailman.2958.1110259118.32256.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-03-08 4:32 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2005-03-07 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
> Actually I think the problem is not the input, but the font: how do I change
> my
> (set-face-font 'default "-apple-Bitstream Vera Sans
> Mono-regular-r-normal--13-140-75-75-m-120-mac-roman")
> to use ISO-Latin-1 encoding instead of mac-roman? The documentation didn't
> really help me there... (and my tries were worthless)
No, the font itself uses mac-roman encoding, so you'd have to change the
font-data itself. Emacs happily uses fonts with mac-roman encodings, so
there's no reason to make such a change.
The problem is most likely elsewhere. E.g. that your files are read as if
they were encoded in "mac-roman" whereas they're encoded in "latin-1" (or
vice-versa). Check buffer-file-coding-system and
default-buffer-file-coding-system.
Stefan
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-07 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2005-03-08 4:45 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2005-03-08 13:22 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.2958.1110259118.32256.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
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From: Gian Uberto Lauri @ 2005-03-08 4:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs
>>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> Actually I think the problem is not the input, but the font: how do
>> I change my (set-face-font 'default "-apple-Bitstream Vera Sans
>> Mono-regular-r-normal--13-140-75-75-m-120-mac-roman") to use
>> ISO-Latin-1 encoding instead of mac-roman? The documentation
>> didn't really help me there... (and my tries were worthless)
SM> No, the font itself uses mac-roman encoding, so you'd have to
SM> change the font-data itself. Emacs happily uses fonts with
SM> mac-roman encodings, so there's no reason to make such a change.
It was a long and weary battle but I got some advice and solved the
problem with this:
(create-fontset-from-fontset-spec
"-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-monaco,
ascii:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-120-mac-roman,
mule-unicode-0100-24ff:-apple-lucida grande-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-m-0-mac-roman,
mule-unicode-2500-33ff:-apple-bitstream vera sans mono bold-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-m-0-mac-roman,
latin-iso8859-15:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-120-mac-roman,
latin-iso8859-1:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-120-mac-roman"
)
(set-face-font
'default "-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-monaco")
for 9 points
(create-fontset-from-fontset-spec
"-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-monaco,
ascii:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-90-75-75-m-90-mac-roman,
mule-unicode-0100-24ff:-apple-lucida grande-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-m-0-mac-roman,
mule-unicode-2500-33ff:-apple-bitstream vera sans mono bold-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-m-0-mac-roman,
latin-iso8859-15:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-90-75-75-m-90-mac-roman,
latin-iso8859-1:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-90-75-75-m-90-mac-roman")
Sadly I lost the references for the credits :(.
Hmmm... I think thak the use of mac roman is in second place for
deserving a rightful spanking (for Apple developers) after the
implementation of cp, mv and so on ... :)
--
/\ ___
/___/\__|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_____________________
//--\ | | \| | Integralista GNUslamico
\/ e coltivatore diretto di software
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-08 4:45 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
@ 2005-03-08 13:22 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2005-03-08 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs
>>> Actually I think the problem is not the input, but the font: how do
>>> I change my (set-face-font 'default "-apple-Bitstream Vera Sans
>>> Mono-regular-r-normal--13-140-75-75-m-120-mac-roman") to use
>>> ISO-Latin-1 encoding instead of mac-roman? The documentation
>>> didn't really help me there... (and my tries were worthless)
SM> No, the font itself uses mac-roman encoding, so you'd have to
SM> change the font-data itself. Emacs happily uses fonts with
SM> mac-roman encodings, so there's no reason to make such a change.
> It was a long and weary battle but I got some advice and solved the
> problem with this:
Please remember that this is a development version, so you shouldn't try to
just work around problems. Instead you should report them via M-x
report-emacs-bug so that they can be addressed. Proving a workaround in the
bug report can be a useful addition, tho.
I.e. please report your problem via M-x report-emacs-bug, thank you.
Stefan
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
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@ 2005-03-08 14:26 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
2005-03-08 22:17 ` Peter Dyballa
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2005-03-09 10:41 ` Sébastien Kirche
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From: Ulrich Hobelmann @ 2005-03-08 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> It was a long and weary battle but I got some advice and solved the
> problem with this:
[...]
Thanks! That solves the display problem.
Emacs doesn't work with the Mac input method, though (alt-s doesn't do
ß, but §). I suspect the Alt key is mapped for something...
Well, I might check out the other input methods suggested in this thread.
> Hmmm... I think thak the use of mac roman is in second place for
> deserving a rightful spanking (for Apple developers) after the
> implementation of cp, mv and so on ... :)
>
What's wrong with cp, mv ...?
Aren't they just from FreeBSD?
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-08 14:26 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
@ 2005-03-08 22:17 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: Peter Dyballa @ 2005-03-08 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Am 08.03.2005 um 15:26 schrieb Ulrich Hobelmann:
> Emacs doesn't work with the Mac input method, though (alt-s doesn't do
> ß, but §). I suspect the Alt key is mapped for something...
Have you checked mac-command-key-is-meta too?
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete
“Computers are good at following instructions, but not at reading your
mind.”
- D. E. Knuth, The TeXbook, Addison-Wesley 1984, 1986, 1996, p. 9
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
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@ 2005-03-09 1:15 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
2005-03-09 8:30 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: Ulrich Hobelmann @ 2005-03-09 1:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
> Am 08.03.2005 um 15:26 schrieb Ulrich Hobelmann:
>
>> Emacs doesn't work with the Mac input method, though (alt-s doesn't do
>> ß, but §). I suspect the Alt key is mapped for something...
>
>
> Have you checked mac-command-key-is-meta too?
>
That variable is t. So I guess alt should be free for other things, or
does Emacs somehow interfere with the native input method? Anyhow, I
guess I could live with the latin-1-prefix or some other Emacs input method.
Thanks!
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-09 1:15 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
@ 2005-03-09 8:30 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: Peter Dyballa @ 2005-03-09 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Am 09.03.2005 um 02:15 schrieb Ulrich Hobelmann:
> That variable is t. So I guess alt should be free for other things,
> or does Emacs somehow interfere with the native input method? Anyhow,
> I guess I could live with the latin-1-prefix or some other Emacs input
> method.
You shouldn't guess that much, but read a bit:
mac-command-key-is-meta's value is t
Non-nil means that the command key is used as the Emacs meta key.
Otherwise the option key is used.
In your situation the alt or the option key ⌥ is free create all the
special glyphs of your Mac's keyboard. These can be meaningful too:
(set-language-environment 'German)
(setq file-name-coding-system 'utf-8)
(setq default-buffer-file-coding-system 'mac-roman-unix)
(set-default-coding-systems 'mac-roman-unix)
(set-keyboard-coding-system 'mac-roman)
(prefer-coding-system 'mac-roman-unix)
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..."
[Isaac Asimov]
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
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2005-03-08 14:26 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
@ 2005-03-09 10:41 ` Sébastien Kirche
2005-03-09 14:20 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Sébastien Kirche @ 2005-03-09 10:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
Le 8 Mar 2005, Gian Uberto Lauri s'est exprimé ainsi :
> (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec
> "-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-monaco,
> ascii:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-90-75-75-m-90-mac-roman,
> mule-unicode-0100-24ff:-apple-lucida
> grande-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-m-0-mac-roman,
> mule-unicode-2500-33ff:-apple-bitstream vera sans mono
> bold-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-m-0-mac-roman,
> latin-iso8859-15:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-90-75-75-m-90-mac-roman,
> latin-iso8859-1:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--9-90-75-75-m-90-mac-roman")
>
> Sadly I lost the references for the credits :(.
Mmh, looks like my personal fontset making attempt ;)
But it is not satisfying enough as it fails to display some unicode chars
(e.g: box drawing U2500 et al) and it shows cyrillic ones instead.
I planned to reencode the linux unifont for use with osx but i did not had
time yet :/
--
Sébastien Kirche
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-09 10:41 ` Sébastien Kirche
@ 2005-03-09 14:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-09 15:11 ` Sébastien Kirche
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2005-03-09 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
> I planned to reencode the linux unifont for use with osx but i did not had
> time yet :/
A more constructive approach would be to fix the problem rather than work
around it: i.e. try and help us get Emacs to correctly use the built
in fonts.
Stefan
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-09 14:20 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2005-03-09 15:11 ` Sébastien Kirche
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From: Sébastien Kirche @ 2005-03-09 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
Le 9 Mar 2005, Stefan Monnier a formulé :
> > I planned to reencode the linux unifont for use with osx but i did not
> > had time yet :/
>
> A more constructive approach would be to fix the problem rather than work
> around it: i.e. try and help us get Emacs to correctly use the built
> in fonts.
Indeed. But if i am a developer and everyday Emacs user, i have not enough
skills to actively help correct internals of Emacs apart doing some tests
with cvs version and report bugs. :(
--
Sébastien Kirche
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-07 6:17 Ulrich Hobelmann
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2005-03-07 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2005-03-08 4:32 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
2005-03-08 9:16 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: Ulrich Hobelmann @ 2005-03-08 4:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
Thanks to all responses.
However, it still doesn't work.
When I load a file which is latin-1, and switch
default-buffer-file-coding-system to 'iso-latin-1-unix, it displays the
little "1" at the bottom of the buffer, but the font doesn't display the
other characters (umlauts, ß), but only boxes.
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* Re: Special characters on Emacs/Mac?
2005-03-08 4:32 ` Ulrich Hobelmann
@ 2005-03-08 9:16 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: Peter Dyballa @ 2005-03-08 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Am 08.03.2005 um 05:32 schrieb Ulrich Hobelmann:
> When I load a file which is latin-1, and switch
> default-buffer-file-coding-system to 'iso-latin-1-unix, it displays
> the little "1" at the bottom of the buffer, but the font doesn't
> display the other characters (umlauts, ß), but only boxes.
You have to use fontsets -- or use an Emacs from CVS and report this
bug!
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete
Stau ist nur hinten blöd, vorne geht's!
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