From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: August Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:50:09 +0100 Message-ID: <1109353809.5314.9.camel@c83-250-206-153.bredband.comhem.se> References: <87650giwj1.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109354662 22874 80.91.229.2 (25 Feb 2005 18:04:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 25 19:04:22 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4joJ-0007nu-9F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:03:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4k66-0002Y9-MO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:21:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D4k44-000259-8v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:19:48 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D4k3u-00022G-Bp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:19:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4k3u-0001v6-2V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:19:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.112] (helo=av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D4jav-0001Jw-Pq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:49:42 -0500 Original-Received: by av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1D1E338102; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:49:39 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.178]) by av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B80937E47 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:49:39 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from c83-250-206-153.bredband.comhem.se (c83-250-206-153.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.206.153]) by smtp2-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007BB37E45 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:49:38 +0100 (CET) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24347 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24347 On fre, 2005-02-25 at 15:18 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: > > >> You'll probably scream out in horror, but I use > >> --with-gtk --without-toolkit-scroll-bars > >> for my version of Emacs, with a few X resources to make the default > >> scroll bars somewhat broader and nicer in color. > > > > Why Gtk? > > Because the menus are _much_ better, antialiased and Unicode-capable. > The toolbar is nicer to demo as well (I have it off by default). > > > With Athena, you'd get a nicer looking Xaw3d scrollbar (unless your > > Xaw3d was compiled with the evil SCROLLBAR_ARROWS compilation option > > which castrates it like a Motif scrollbar). > > Athena does not mix with Gtk, and Athena menus and dialogs suck > royally. I think that if the standard Emacs release supported a native look and feel of the menu bar and the scrollbar on the major desktops GNOME, KDE, Windows (XP), Mac OS X etc. everyone would be happy. These are really basic widgets, so it can't be that hard to code it, right? -- August