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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::336 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242656 Archived-At: On 23.11.2019 18:04, Michael Albinus wrote: > You can subscribe to. You can use the debbugs > ELPA package. Granted, there's room for improvement, but we have them. I'm not asking for myself. The question was why a lot of users shy away from reporting bugs to us. > You could argue that the web-based issue trackers are more fancy. But > this is the problem: they are web-based. It's not that they are more fancy (though they are), they are more familiar to a lot of people. So they lower the barrier for participation, in a lot of ways. > I'm using Emacs, and I want to tackle my problems with Emacs. So whatever we end up, that is a requirement I have. I don't say we shall use debbugs forever, but if we move to another system, I don't want to loose this feature. I'm pretty sure we have discussed this requirement at length.