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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324578 Archived-At: On 14/10/2024 17:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> The ad-hoc behaviors the creates and offers the users, or the bugs like >> 'C-h f' altering auto-mode-alist, or 'M-x js-ts-mode' (for example) >> doing the same because it loads cc-mode. > We have such issues all over the place in Emacs: "C-h" commands that > load packages modify the global state. There's nothing new here, nor > anything outlandish. It might not be a huge deal, but packages being loaded at various times, sometimes unexpected, is why we try to avoid doing too many things during that time.