From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andre Spiegel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: deleting rcs keywords from emacs sources Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:10:26 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1080472226.749.657.camel@localhost> References: <4242667.1080067569994.JavaMail.root@tintin.london.ongenie.net> <20040323214737.GA21737@fencepost> <1080200708.749.486.camel@localhost> <1080329835.5425.617.camel@localhost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1080472664 22049 80.91.224.253 (28 Mar 2004 11:17:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 28 13:17:33 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B7YIH-0006ah-00 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:17:33 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B7YIH-0004XP-00 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:17:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B7YDQ-0006ww-Ap for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 06:12:32 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B7YCR-0006pS-3H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 06:11:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B7YBt-0006ZN-GP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 06:11:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.113.160.16] (helo=mail.o2.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B7YBA-0006FG-PE; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 06:10:12 -0500 Original-Received: from A009c.a.pppool.de (213.6.0.156) by mail.o2.co.uk (7.0.020) (authenticated as andre.spiegel@o2online.de) id 40557866004D62DF; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:10:11 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:21016 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:21016 On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 03:36, Richard Stallman wrote: > I asked that question so I can get an idea of how much > inconvenience it would be for you. The time I would need to put a timestamp into a file before I send it to someone is surely negligible. I assume between 5-10 seconds. Less than that if I write myself a clever macro for it. I'd be doing it between 5-10 times a year, so that's your absolute measure of "inconvenience". The problem with this approach is that the files would only be stamped when *I* send them out. When somebody gets a file through a different channel, e.g. via Web-CVS, or because somebody else sends it to him, the file won't have an identification in it. As a result, I might get bug reports where we unknowingly talk about different versions of a file. It might take considerable time to sort out such a misunderstanding. This is a more severe kind of "inconvenience" than the time I would need to make a timestamp manually. Even if everything goes well, there would now be several different ways to determine the version of a file: If it's from an Emacs release, use the ChangeLog and CVS history. If you're hooked up to CVS, use the CVS version information. If you get it via another channel, hope that somebody put a timestamp into it. To me, that seems messy and an inconvenience in itself.