From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:31:02 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <107214be-5812-4519-bc29-a52f391f09a3@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225982555 5182 80.91.229.12 (6 Nov 2008 14:42:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:42:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 06 15:43:38 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ky65A-0004kt-MW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:43:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34105 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ky643-0000Ja-0j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:42:27 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2!postnews.google.com!v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 71 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1225981863 14325 127.0.0.1 (6 Nov 2008 14:31:03 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:164172 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59504 Archived-At: 2008-11-06 On Nov 4, 11:25 pm, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Like Chris told, I do not like to leave the "home keys" when > typing. My fingers know where to go with few movements and by > trying to decrease the risk to get a RSI. That's what matter the > most for me. I do not type with my 10 fingers but only 6 and I > feel very comfortable like that. you don't touch type? really, you should learn touch type. it pisses me when programers don't touch type. it is bizarre that these tech geekers get hotheaded in geeking forums about what keybindings should or should not be. like, i spent years thought about issues, such as modernization of emacs's interface, its keyboard shortcuts, its terminology ... then when i expressed these opinions thru detailed essays of few thousand words each, with examples, photos, reference sources, a throng of tech geekers think i'm a troll or my opinions are absolutely stupid ... in the past year, i changed my newsgroup behavior so that i actually try to reply to every message, then i came to realize thru individualistic discussions, that they never used Windows, never used Mac, which together are some 96% of world's computers emacs runs on, but they insist that emacs UI should be this or that. They don't touch type, but insist emacs keybindings should be this or that, none of them actually have basic knowledge in the field of user interface or human machine interface ... all you hear them say is basically =E2=80=9Cema= cs should not dumb down=E2=80=9D (whatever that means) or =E2=80=9Cemacs is no= t MicrosoftWord=E2=80=9D (What the motherfuck is Microsoft?). ------------ y'know, it's weired, when u work in a day job, and sometimes you go over with colleagues and noticed that they dont touch type, you try very hard to pretend that you noticed nothing, and you wanted to laugh out loud with gasps, but can't. in fact, thinking about this from my personal experience of on and off working in the IT industry as day jobs since 1995, _majority_ of professional programers don't touch type. Thinking about it, it's quite ridiculous. A programer celebrity, Steve Yegge (author of js2 javascript mode), recently pulled his windpipe on programers who don't know how to touch type. Check it out: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/09/programmings-dirtiest-little-secret= .html that thing is what, 10 thousand words? LOL. He's more verbose than me. Who are you Xavier Maillard? I assume you are a emacs developer, and i think you probably used emacs for 5 or 10 or more years? if you are so inclined, let's meet in Second Life. I'm Xah Toll inworld. Best, Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84