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From: Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: skeleton.el _ versus @
Date: 09 Apr 2003 17:00:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1049932803.419.9.camel@zircon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200304091626.h39GQlwc000430@rum.cs.yale.edu>

On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 09:26, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > But then going and changing it incompatibly a few years later, breaking
> > existing skeletons is a behaviour worthy of the Bushs and Saddams of this
> > world!  At the very least this should be advertised to all those concerned,
> > and help offered in fixing the skeletons this breaks!
> 
> I actually did look around and didn't find any skeleton where the
> change introduced problems.  Then (while pretesting 21.1) someone
> pointed out a case where the new behavior was not as good
> as before (the position of point after insertion was fine but
> the fact that the first @ had not been put on skeleton-positions
> was a problem), which I addressed (by adding the position to
> skeleton-positions even when it also sets position-point).

These are all very weak excuses.  The fact is, you *broke it* in an
incompatible way.

If you want this behavior, fork out skeleton.el from the distribution
and install it as a personal package.

The only reason you couldn't find skeletons which broke is beacuse you
did not look farther than the core sources.  If you had been an mmm-mode
user, you would have noticed the bad behavior immediately.

I formally request atht this bad change be withdrawn from the sources. 
Stefan can install his own personal version on his own personal machine.

/Joe

  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-10  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-24 19:27 [joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us: skeleton.el _ versus @] Richard Stallman
2003-03-24 20:05 ` skeleton.el _ versus @ Stefan Monnier
2003-03-25  1:00   ` Joe Kelsey
2003-03-30 18:51     ` Joe Kelsey
2003-03-31 17:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-01  1:58       ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-01  7:25         ` Miles Bader
2003-04-01 18:41         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-02  0:08       ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-02  0:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-02  1:03           ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-02  1:17             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2003-04-02  1:33             ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-03  0:16               ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-03  0:28                 ` Miles Bader
2003-04-03  6:45             ` Daniel Pfeiffer
2003-04-09 16:26               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-10  0:00                 ` Joe Kelsey [this message]
2003-04-10 22:47                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-11  0:25                     ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-11 23:45                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-11 23:59                         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-12  0:11                           ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-12  8:51                             ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-13 11:23                           ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-13 16:41                             ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-13 18:54                               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-13 19:11                             ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-20 22:50                             ` skeleton.el _ versus @, a new patch Joe Kelsey
2003-04-21 13:11                               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-22  0:32                                 ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-22 13:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-23  0:27                                     ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-22  0:45                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-22  1:30                                 ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-24  1:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-24 15:59                                     ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-26  2:31                                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-28 21:51                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-29 19:29                                           ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-18  1:31                                             ` Joe Kelsey
2003-04-02 19:26         ` skeleton.el _ versus @ Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-23 23:55 Joe Kelsey

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