From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Owen Taylor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: 08 Apr 2003 10:56:59 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1049813819.27194.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030325193739.ZGIN3924.fep01-svc.swip.net@gaffa.gaia.swipnet.se> <3E8345E8.4090509@swipnet.se> <1048872463.17161.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1049134327.3326.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <84of3p2m44.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <200304021352.h32DqLO11793@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <1049729721.4045.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049814837 16324 80.91.224.249 (8 Apr 2003 15:13:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 08 17:13:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 192unJ-0004Eh-00 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:13:53 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 192urH-0006s2-00 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:18:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 192uiH-0007iQ-07 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:08:41 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 192ueL-000591-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:04:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 192ucV-0002gr-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:02:47 -0400 Original-Received: from nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com ([66.187.233.200] helo=lacrosse.corp.redhat.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 192uZE-0007rg-00; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:59:20 -0400 Original-Received: from landau.devel.redhat.com (landau.devel.redhat.com [172.16.56.103])h38ExCu16418; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:59:12 -0400 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-0) Original-cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net Original-cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13027 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13027 On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 22:30, Richard Stallman wrote: > I don't think there has been a satisfactory explanation of how you > are going to deal with minimum size issues; which for some themes > occur on quite moderately sized buffers. (As I said earlier, for > Red Hat's default theme, the minimum scrollbar thumb size is > ~30 pixels) > > I see how the minimum thumb size will sometimes give a misleading idea > of what fraction of the file is visible. That can happen even without > overscrolling, but whether it is a problem is a matter people might > disagree about. > > Aside form that, what issue is there with minimum size? The problem I see with a minimum size is that the technique of shrinking the thumb to represent overscrolling won't work if the scrollbar thumb is already at its minimum size. Regards, Owen