From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Susan Cragin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Message-ID: <10488140.1340370943885.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Reply-To: Susan Cragin NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340370965 5186 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2012 13:16:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:16:05 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 15:16:03 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3iP-0007jp-Ab for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:15:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46433 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3iP-0002Vp-7s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45077) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3iK-0002Vk-DQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3iE-0005Xa-6V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:51 -0400 Original-Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63]:53819) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3iD-0005XM-Tq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:46 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=B4tcCLleQMWt52A+EHHWxDStV9JOAcP81Zf84JgybNNqBKXnySszBSs8Zco+S8fg; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Original-Received: from [209.86.224.35] (helo=elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3iC-0002GQ-8A for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:44 -0400 Original-Received: from 71.181.58.75 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:43 -0400 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 98d08d9d16ee8658cc6af23ae4a692329ef193a6bfc3dd4809e0910295d9881b01c060530e875ff6a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.35 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 209.86.89.63 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85373 Archived-At: I'm a writer wi= th no programming interests, and I love emacs for gathering info, outlining= , drafts. But I would like the following:

(1) Printing. Easier to pr= int in the standard author draft form, which is letter-sized paper, 1" marg= ins, double-spaced, TNRoman 12, new page started at each * (highest level o= utline).

(2) PDF. Files could be "read" and text-searched from with= in emacs.

(3) at-spi2 integration
I have been involved in a proj= ect to port Dragon NaturallySpeaking to Linux using wine. This has been a g= reat help to me in entering text.
Unfortunately, the port that enables = dictation straight into Linux apps requires good at-spi2 integration and db= us support, which emacs does not have.
Right now the NatSpeak project i= s in beta testing, and I can dictate (with bugs) into a number of applicati= ons, including Libra Office, G Edit, and Firefox. My e-mail client is web-b= ased and I am dictating right now. As I said, buggy but fun.

This is= a sticky subject, I know, since NatSpeak is both closed-source and a Windo= ws program, but shouldn't at-spi2 compatibility be on emacs's radar somewhe= re?

Thanks, by the way, to Michael Albinus and Mario Lang for the wo= rk they did. I would have gotten back to both of them sooner, except that t= he prototype I was working with suddenly lost major functionality, and I co= uldn't figure out if Michael's coding worked or not. I am finally able to s= ay that it doesn't work to enter text, but suddenly I can spell into emacs = -- one letter at a time.

Susan Cragin

>Agreed. Some basic = tidying and emacs would/might get a new lease of life. mixed mode, java, au= to completion, some tutorial on how to actually use cedet without a degree = in compiler design :)