From: "Ville Skyttä" <ville.skytta@xemacs.org>
Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>,
Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>,
bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
xemacs-design@xemacs.org
Subject: Re: INFO on add-ons
Date: 04 Sep 2002 21:22:33 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1031163761.2470.183.camel@bobcat.ods.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200209041549.g84FnQp19483@rum.cs.yale.edu>
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:49, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > (Obviously the retargetable backend is a
> > _huge_ improvement, and I wouldn't go back, although I'd like to go
> > forward from Texinfo to XMLinfo.)
Yeah! Thumbs up here.
> What's so great about <kindex key="C-x k"/> compared to @kindex C-x k ?
> What's so great about <sample>foobar</sample> compared to @sample{foobar} ?
The user base. What do you think is the percentage of the technically
oriented people, especially "newcomers", that feel more comfortable with
the former? Why should a "newcomer" who has a choice learn Texinfo if
she already knows XML? IMO this is an important accessibility question
too, not just syntactic sugar.
> XML has its advantages, but for a *source* format, it's just way too
> cumbersome/verbose, unless you use an editor that hides the markup,
> but then what would such an editor look like ?
I don't agree. There's a lot of people who actually like the tag soup,
and who think that a decent syntax highlighting and indentation engine
is good enough. But the point actually is that people have a choice to
work with XML the way they want.
Some free approaches (no, I haven't tried all of them out):
<http://psgml.sourceforge.net/>
<http://kxmleditor.sourceforge.net/>
<http://idx-getox.idealx.org/>
<http://www.aleksey.com/yaxed/>
<http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/mlview/>
<http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/xeena>
Of course, there's also a lot of commercial implementations around.
> If you say WYSIWYG, you know that it is very difficult to reconcile
> with the purpose of TeXinfo which is to concentrate on the intent
> and allow many *different* output formats.
No, there's no such thing as WYSIWYG in XML. It's about structure, not
presentation, as I gather Texinfo is too. And as I already said in
another message, there's quite a lot one can do with XSLT.
I'm not saying that any project should change from Texinfo to XML
overnight, especially because I don't know enough about the former.
Personally, I wouldn't mind that, but of course there's a lot of people
who would. If there's a way to use both XML and Texinfo and make them
coexist happily, I'm all for it.
--
\/ille Skyttä
ville.skytta at xemacs.org
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2002-09-01 22:16 ` INFO on add-ons Alex Schroeder
2002-09-02 23:49 ` David A. Cobb
[not found] ` <3D73F919.5010706@cox.net>
2002-09-03 22:56 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04 0:48 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04 1:39 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 4:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 5:02 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 5:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 5:14 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 13:34 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-05 4:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05 12:09 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-09-05 14:52 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:40 ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05 2:46 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07 7:44 ` Pavel Janík
2002-09-04 4:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 12:13 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 4:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-02 1:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] ` <87ptvxxkoj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-09-02 1:36 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <buok7m5jhpm.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-09-02 4:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
[not found] ` <87fzwtxad9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-09-02 5:04 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <buoelcdj82q.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-09-02 6:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-02 23:47 ` David A. Cobb
[not found] ` <3D73F89D.2070106@cox.net>
2002-09-03 4:16 ` "Extreme Documentation" [was: INFO on add-ons] Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 15:49 ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-03 19:05 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-09-04 3:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-04 5:58 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-09-03 13:26 ` INFO on add-ons Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 15:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 16:30 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-03 17:33 ` Henrik Enberg
2002-09-03 17:58 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 20:54 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-03 20:54 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 23:40 ` David A. Cobb
[not found] ` <3D73F6D1.7010002@cox.net>
2002-09-03 4:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 15:39 ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-03 16:23 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-03 22:23 ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-04 1:18 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 3:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-04 3:46 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 7:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05 2:17 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-04 14:38 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 17:42 ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-04 22:14 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 2:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05 13:37 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-06 2:40 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-06 12:18 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-06 13:30 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 20:03 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 13:54 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 20:16 ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-04 15:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-04 17:12 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 18:22 ` Ville Skyttä [this message]
2002-09-05 1:48 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-05 2:32 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-05 4:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05 6:00 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-05 13:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 4:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05 4:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05 18:02 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06 1:19 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 20:03 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-04 4:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 12:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 2:46 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 23:22 ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-02 14:53 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 23:59 ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-01 22:02 David A. Cobb
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