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From: Ajanta <ajanta@no.spam>
Subject: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:23:26 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <101220021125583826%ajanta@no.spam> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5l1y4qj8mc.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu

Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com> wrote:

> The size of emacs/lisp/language is about 700KB here.  Peanuts. 
>...
> The amount of space used up by the other emacs/lisp/international features
> (mostly support for various charsets) is less than 4MB.  Not worth
> the trouble.
> ...
> HD space is not expensive enough to justify wasting any time on this.
 
First of all, thank you for all the help. Secondly, I do have a
slightly different philosophical perspective on unneeded disk clutter,
perhaps rooted in my familarity with the third world. 

You see, people in the 3rd world produce much less trash than say the
US. And their urban poor actually "recycle" most of it. Yet, without
systematic and uncompromising management, it still keeps adding up, and
their cities are living hell compared to American cities that in fact
generate a lot more garbage. 

The difference is in constant sorting and processing, of even the
smallest piece of paper or plastic, shall we say of even a single
peanut shell? :) 

In fact many 3rd world people show remarkably similar attitude: the
Forest/River/Beach is so big and I am just throwing one candy wrapper,
what's the big deal?

To make a long story short I believe all programs should come with
tools to minimize unnecessary clutter and also to safely and completely
uninstall themselves if asked.

A

  reply	other threads:[~2002-12-10 18:23 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found] ` <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com>
     [not found]   ` <x5k7ipl35x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
2002-12-06 11:14     ` Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not? Ajanta
2002-12-06 10:27       ` Raffael Herzog
2002-12-06 14:28         ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-06 14:49       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-06 14:52       ` Schone Mullerin
2002-12-06 17:35         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-06 21:30           ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 Ajanta
2002-12-06 23:07             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-07  7:53               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 14:18                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-07 18:53                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 21:53                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-09 19:29                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-09 23:49                       ` For Andrew Choi/Enrico Franconi: Bug in Emacs 21.3.50 Ajanta
2002-12-09 23:21                         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-10 13:39                         ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-10 18:23                           ` Ajanta [this message]
2002-12-10 17:31                             ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 17:48                               ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 17:59                                 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 18:01                                   ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 21:14                                 ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 12:56                                   ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                             ` <101220021416559254\x04%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found]                               ` <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-11 18:29                                 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-11 19:51                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 19:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology Henrik Enberg
2002-12-11 20:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12  3:51                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 11:49                                         ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 16:30                                           ` Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-12 19:43                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:03                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  9:03                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-16 16:09                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 20:13                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 16:02                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13 16:36                                                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 18:59                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:41                                                     ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 19:42                                                   ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12 23:09                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:05                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:49                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:21                                             ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 21:16                                               ` Anil
2002-12-13  8:56                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 11:24                                                 ` Francis Burton
2002-12-16 16:04                                                 ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 21:52                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-16 21:02                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  5:55                                                       ` Anil
2002-12-20 15:51                                                         ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17  9:41                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 17:34                                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-17 17:55                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 22:14                                                           ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-18  6:22                                                           ` Jonathon Isaac Swiderski
2002-12-18  8:51                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:54                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:19                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 19:31                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-16 21:59                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-17  9:54                                                   ` jdf23
2002-12-20 16:01                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13  8:54                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:53                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-16 15:59                                               ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17 18:29                                                 ` Ajanta
     [not found]                                                   ` <ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-17 18:29                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-24  0:05                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-17 22:24                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:32                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:22                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 14:16                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 14:44                                                           ` Fredrik Staxeng
     [not found]                                                             ` <fstx+u@update.uu.se>
2002-12-19 15:36                                                               ` Peter S Galbraith
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.420.1040313026.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-19 16:47                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-19 21:13                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-21  0:17                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-20 22:19                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:13                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21 12:31                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-21 23:15                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-22  2:54                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22 10:46                                                                   ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-23 19:42                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 21:14                                                           ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 23:38                                                             ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 19:06                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:51                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 20:44                                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:14                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:55                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.464.1040400348.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 19:09                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:27                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:24                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21  2:32                                                               ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-21 12:50                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-20 15:41                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:44                                                         ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:38                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.343.1040149880.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-17 22:33                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-17 23:17                                                       ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:34                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:20                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-19  7:47                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:36                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:01                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:34                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:58                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-24  6:24                                                           ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-26 18:20                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-27  3:14                                                               ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27  4:35                                                                 ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                                                 ` <mailman.637.1040963855.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-27 12:48                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27 15:39                                                                     ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-28  2:49                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-28 13:54                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 14:11                                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-31 20:08                                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-27 17:36                                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-28  1:02                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 11:07                                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-28 13:44                                                                       ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-28 13:49                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-31 20:05                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:32                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 16:00                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                       ` <ams@kemisten.nu>
2002-12-20 20:00                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 20:25                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-20 20:34                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 21:01                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.482.1040418304.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 21:40                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-20 21:59                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:25                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-21 15:55                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.498.1040486166.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-21 16:22                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-12 23:14                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 23:44                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:11                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 14:11                                         ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 20:50                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 20:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 23:02                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:29                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-13 10:12                                                 ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.179.1039743000.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-13 19:11                                                   ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:32                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  0:33                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:27                                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-12 21:28                                             ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:30                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-11 20:49                                     ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12  4:44                                       ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12  4:58                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12  6:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-12 14:50                                         ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-12 19:40                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:39                                           ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:35                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12 23:23                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-11 21:34                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-10  5:23             ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 David Combs
2002-12-10  8:29               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07  8:19 ` Thanks to all (Re: Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not?) new2osx
2002-12-07  9:35   ` David Kastrup

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