From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13965: info.info conflict between emacs and texinfo Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:05:29 -0400 Message-ID: <0q1tcs3vdi.fsf__17595.0031647973$1445191581$gmane$org@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20130318230008.GD31358@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> <86d2uwl2mu.fsf@frenzy.freefriends.org> <8761276fgh.fsf@igel.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445191581 958 80.91.229.3 (18 Oct 2015 18:06:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Texinfo , Andreas Schwab , 13965@debbugs.gnu.org, Karl Berry To: Gavin Smith Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 20:06:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsLR-0005PF-DD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 20:06:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35040 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsLQ-0005zE-HB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:06:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsLL-0005wn-C7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsLK-0000AZ-CN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:06:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:36417) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsLK-0000AV-A4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsLJ-000437-VU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:06:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13965 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 13965-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13965.144519153815535 (code B ref 13965); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13965) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2015 18:05:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55358 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsKv-00042V-Qj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:05:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsKu-00042N-DJ for 13965@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:05:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsKs-00006k-Sf for 13965@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:05:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsKr-00006T-Bz; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:05:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnsKo-0001Jp-0t; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:05:30 -0400 X-Spook: Sonora LLNL PET Michoacna electronic surveillance USSS X-Ran: R3|slqFg&N{5)j}?*\(:|@"~z@-FMsk?6T*qKvcw"MoDTu~4.*;nomYV[(uXl[,;{7!k~J X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: (Gavin Smith's message of "Sat, 17 Oct 2015 23:28:06 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107715 Archived-At: Gavin Smith wrote: >> I'm sure there are many systems where Texinfo is installed and Emacs is not. >> How are people on those systems supposed to learn how to use the >> stand-alone info reader? > > It has its own manual. It doesn't have a tutorial, though. This would > have to be added. It shouldn't be hard to cover the absolute minimum > needed to be able to navigate through the rest of the manual. info.info is obviously written to benefit users of both Emacs info and stand-alone info. It seems weird to me to delete it from Texinfo just for the sake of a distribution packing issue that i) doesn't occur on Debian-based systems (http://debbugs.gnu.org/14064#30) ii) was solved two-years ago on RedHat-based systems in the rpm https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=927996#c11 If I were packaging Emacs for a distribution (let me randomly say SUSE), I'd resolve this issue in the packaging step. But I'm just repeating myself (http://debbugs.gnu.org/14064#33). Obviously it's your decision.