From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Change of Lisp syntax for "fancy" quotes in Emacs 27? Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 09:24:53 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <0e29fbcc-b9b7-0aed-b644-d45a42a0200d@cs.ucla.edu> References: <83y3bc2378.fsf@gnu.org> <4fjg1zzzzzzz.3lf.xxuns.g6.gal@portable.galex-713.eu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1538842985 14008 195.159.176.226 (6 Oct 2018 16:23:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 16:23:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Garreau, Alexandre" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 06 18:23:01 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g8pM4-0003XF-Pg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 18:23:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39770 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8pOB-0000JZ-9K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 12:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36366) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8pO3-0000JU-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 12:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8pO2-0004rN-Ji for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 12:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:51088) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8pNw-0004nU-D2; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 12:24:56 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085B91616EF; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 09:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id eEt4DoB0FQOf; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 09:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CFD1616F5; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 09:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id gWa20DBzAXrf; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 09:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-23-242-74-103.socal.res.rr.com [23.242.74.103]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1475C1616D5; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 09:24:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4fjg1zzzzzzz.3lf.xxuns.g6.gal@portable.galex-713.eu> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230262 Archived-At: Garreau, Alexandre wrote: > ouldn=E2=80=99t it be > reasonable to expect unicode-related semantic functions to be provided > in most frameworks, systems and languages to allow better handling of > such problems What a wonderful world that would be! But it's not the world we live in. = Even=20 Emacs misdisplays many of these characters now. And other tools that I ro= utinely=20 use (Firefox, Thunderbird, Gnome terminal) are even worse. We can't reaso= nably=20 assume that confusable characters will be displayed nicely everywhere, no= t even=20 five or ten years from now.