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Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:11:05 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x96G8uu3065391; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 16:11:04 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vf4pg2d46-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:11:04 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x96GB03k014320; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 16:11:01 GMT In-Reply-To: <87y2xye4nz.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9402 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910060165 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9402 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910060165 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:168432 Archived-At: > As a partial solution, the manual *might* suggest to use C-z for that, > especially that is is bounded to a 99.99% useless command by default > (and using e.g. screen or tmux makes it 100% useless). No, please don't do that. IMO: `C-z' is better used by users and libraries as a _prefix key_ (by users who are willing to forego the default binding). The manual should not suggest that users bind any particular keys. It's OK for a 3rd-party library to suggest key bindings. It's not good for Emacs itself to do that. 3rd-party libraries are opt-in by users. Using one is like adding its feature/code to your init file - it's a user choice. The same isn't true of much of the code distributed by Emacs. And even when a distributed library (e.g. `dired-x.el') is opt-in, Emacs should not suggest bindings for its commands. "Suggestion" by Emacs is sometimes mistakenly taken by users as a "rule" or a convention. There's no good reason for Emacs to suggest that users use `C-z' for anything particular.