From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0d865b33-6751-4958-b61b-e0f2b3298a20@googlegroups.com> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> <53fc8fd4-2a3e-4937-bc17-6bf6d5bfff5a@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431450021 13496 80.91.229.3 (12 May 2015 17:00:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:00:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 19:00:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YsDXX-0005Hv-HY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 19:00:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44069 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YsDXW-00050J-PX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 13:00:18 -0400 X-Received: by 10.236.10.33 with SMTP id 21mr27691345yhu.33.1431449748165; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:55:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.8.7 with SMTP id n7mr106520iga.15.1431449748138; Tue, 12 May 2015 09:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!j5no6872304qga.1!news-out.google.com!n7ni31663igk.0!nntp.google.com!m20no2514629iga.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=117.195.35.246; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 117.195.35.246 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:55:48 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:212134 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104419 Archived-At: On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 9:42:10 PM UTC+5:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:07:36 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Rusi > > > > Since emacs is a superset of org half dozen emacs-intros from different slants > > could certainly help > > Each chapter in the Emacs manual is a short intro to the subject of > that chapter. There is a fundamental difference between logical and pedagogical order. If I may quote Minsky's Turing lecture |There is a real conflict between the logician's goal and the educator's. The | logician wants to minimize the variety of ideas, and doesn't mind a long, thin | path. The educator (rightly) wants to make the paths short and doesn't mind-in | fact, prefers-connections to many other ideas. And he cares almost not at all | about the directions of the links. The emacs manual may be logically structured. It is not structured to be inviting to a noob -- whether of Drew's or of Stefan's variety. Joe Noob has a need that is completely covered in chaps i,(more likely i,j,k) of the manual. How does he go from his need to chaps i,j,k? Lets say that dired and even better wdired is exactly what he needs. How is he going to find that out?