From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans BKK Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Helm (and?) or Icicles (possibly using Evil) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0d24af8b-a235-4c4e-b946-408c74d849a0@googlegroups.com> References: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398308127 22088 80.91.229.3 (24 Apr 2014 02:55:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:55:27 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 24 04:55:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd9om-00078i-Dw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 04:55:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35593 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd9om-0005IA-4w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:55:20 -0400 X-Received: by 10.68.202.99 with SMTP id kh3mr12471344pbc.8.1398307884126; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:51:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.199.67 with SMTP id ji3mr814obc.38.1398307883814; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!c1no2896080igq.0!news-out.google.com!gi6ni619igc.0!nntp.google.com!c1no2896077igq.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2602:306:334f:a5e0:e419:79b1:56e7:c068; posting-account=IUdGewoAAACF9WtA3i8stuVyXNk2FqaH Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2602:306:334f:a5e0:e419:79b1:56e7:c068 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:51:23 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205085 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97351 Archived-At: Thanks for that Drew. However I'm not sure what may have given the impressi= on I intended to do that 'shaking up the big sack thing'. It's true I don't intend to use most of the OOB keybindings, but definitely= plan to select/create a set that won't interfere with my initial learning = curve nor get in the way of making the most of the vanilla features. If anything I'm 'too much' of a stickler for the "understand each tool set = thoroughly" approach, but that IS how I 'have fun'. To me, being able to follow the trail back to the docs and source is key, a= nd the narrowing/completion aides (to be?) discussed here a part of that. It seems clear that ido/flex, helm and icicles offer a lot more than the va= nilla tab-completion, so in that case I don't see any practical benefit nor= foregone pleasures in sticking with the latter past some initial testing a= nd exploring. If you happen to have time and/or feel like it at any point, I'd greatly ap= preciate your addressing my question - I hope you won't feel 'shy' about hi= ghlighting Icicles' features - particularly in the context of my use-case -= where they overlap vis-a-vis the alternatives since I am genuinely solicit= ing that information no one can accuse you of over-self-promotion in the ma= illist. But again, comparative feedback from happy Helm users would be most welcome= , since there isn't nearly as much information on that topic available onli= ne, particularly in 'the' wiki.