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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: Leo Liu <sdl.web@gmail.com>, 16038@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#16038: 24.3; latest change to with-help-window makes temp-buffer-browse useless
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:14:37 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0d097edc-fcc0-4e64-81af-f55c11c79226@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52E616F6.7090804@gmx.at>

>  >>> And just what problem is that?  You say there is a problem to
>  >>> fix in my code.  What is the problem?
>  >>
>  >> The one from
>  >> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8368#32.
>  >
>  > That demo example was not from my code, as you know.  It
>  > demonstrates bug #8368, showing why it needs to be fixed.
>  > And it is still pertinent, AFAIK.
> 
> So this example bears no resemblance to code you ever wrote or run?
> It's just a hoax to attract the attention of developers to how
> people could shoot themselves in the foot?  Now I understand why
> no-one else cared.  This taught me a lesson ...

What are you on about, Martin?  That example underlines, in a
simple way, the mismatch between `with-output-to-temp-buffer', which
is only for help buffers, and "with output to a temporary buffer",
which its name suggests.  That's all.  It is entirely germain to
the bug.

It is a trivial, minimal example pointing out some of the problems
described in the bug report:

  (defun foo () "..."
    (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*TEMP*" (princ "FOOO\n---\n\n")))
  (foo) C-x b *TEMP* TAB
  Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "No buttons!")

And no, I do not use `with-output-to-temp-buffer' that way in my
code.  I know enough not to expect that it does what it says, and
to use it only for a help buffer.

That does not change the fact that the name is misleading and
that Emacs could benefit from a real "with output to a temporary
buffer", in addition to this misnamed macro, which is really
"with output to a help buffer".

It's not a hoax.  It's a bug report.  Whether no one besides me
cares is their choice.  But I suspect that someone does care,
since you have gone to some trouble to write a new macro and
there is now some talk (even if you say it is not from you) in
favor of deprecating the name `with-output-to-temp-buffer'.

Wrt such a possible deprecation: let's do it right.  That's all.





  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-27 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-03 14:34 bug#16038: 24.3; latest change to with-help-window makes temp-buffer-browse useless Leo Liu
2014-01-11 14:01 ` martin rudalics
2014-01-11 14:32   ` Leo Liu
2014-01-11 15:41     ` martin rudalics
2014-01-11 16:31       ` Leo Liu
2014-01-12  9:53         ` martin rudalics
2014-01-14  0:23           ` Leo Liu
2014-01-14  1:47             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14  4:42               ` Leo Liu
2014-01-14 21:38                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 21:55                   ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 23:46                     ` Leo Liu
2014-01-22  2:14                   ` Leo Liu
2014-01-22  3:02                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-22  3:32                       ` Leo Liu
2014-01-22 13:44                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-23 10:03                           ` Leo Liu
2014-01-23 17:48                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-24  7:30                               ` Leo Liu
2014-01-24 15:06                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-24 15:45                                   ` martin rudalics
2014-01-24 16:29                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-25  9:21                                       ` martin rudalics
2014-01-25 16:34                                         ` Drew Adams
2014-01-25 16:48                                           ` martin rudalics
2014-01-25 17:33                                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-25 18:25                                               ` martin rudalics
2014-01-25 20:19                                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-26 11:24                                                   ` martin rudalics
2014-01-26 17:52                                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-27  8:21                                                       ` martin rudalics
2014-01-27 15:14                                                         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2014-01-22  3:07                     ` Glenn Morris
2014-07-08  1:54             ` Glenn Morris
2014-07-08  2:04               ` Glenn Morris
2014-07-08  5:59                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-07-08 13:57                   ` Drew Adams
2014-07-08 22:24               ` Leo Liu
2014-07-10  7:20                 ` Glenn Morris

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