From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0cbdd1c7-cc2c-4684-bc1e-fec7db72cf45@default> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4g77io1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442360979 19512 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2015 23:49:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 01:49:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyT-0008BN-UO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:49:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46438 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyT-0003uP-84 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55862) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyE-0003a4-9G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0000Gh-Vu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0000Ga-T3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbzyA-0007H0-PU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144236091027894 (code B ref 21472); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2015 23:48:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33697 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbzxe-0007Fq-1U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:30 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:44038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbzxc-0007Fh-Gw for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:48:28 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t8FNmLKH016408 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:21 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmLZJ008836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:21 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8FNmL3s007205; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 23:48:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <83y4g77io1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106616 Archived-At: > > Although the manual was correct as it was, it could be written to avoid > > the need for the quotes, and this should help avoid confusion like the > > problem Drew reported. I went through the Emacs, Elisp, and Elisp > > intro manuals looking for this sort of problem and fixed the ones that > > I found in commit ef7dbdf5873bf0a1f3f0e64e5d019e74d5b15b9e. >=20 > After looking through these changes, I must say I don't like too many > of them. Phrases like "foo (or =E2=80=9Cbar=E2=80=9D)" now lost their qu= otes, which > makes them less correct English-wise, AFAIK. Even worse, we lost > quotes in phrases like "foo (a.k.a. =E2=80=9Cbar=E2=80=9D). ... > Etc., etc. -- I think a large portion of these changes goes too far, > and replaces perfectly correct English with less correct one. >=20 > I think most of these changes should be reverted. To be clear, and to _repeat_: _THIS_ bug is about the quoting of _these particular terms_: whether they should be quoted (and why), and if so, whether (and why) they should be changed to lowercase. The bug Subject line indicates that I even mistakenly interpreted these terms as intended to be Lisp strings, so much was it unclear to me what these quotations are all about. These are not the usual terms ("UNIX", "DOS", and "Mac").