From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>, Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Modernize frame-title-format: "%b - GNU Emacs"
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0c7eaca2-d09d-4135-8da4-9cbb5c66bee1@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m24kookn36.fsf@gmail.com>
>>> I don't even think it would be acceptable to go with a default
>>> setting if it were easy to customize this, and it's not (M-x customize
>>> RET frame title RET doesn't work).
>
> Well, fixing that is a one-liner:
> Eli> Though not via Customize, you _can_ customize the title: see the
> Eli> variable frame-title-format.
> (is there a better custom type than 'sexp here?)
I at first had the same reflex. But I think it's
probably misguided. The format in question, which
is that of `mode-line-format', is pretty complex
for Customize.
Certainly, it should _not_ just be :type `sexp'.
If Customize is to be helpful then the :type
should be as specific/accurate as possible,
while still covering all possibilities.
I don't think Customize is the immediate answer
here, at least not by just applying it to vars
such as `mode-line-format' and `frame-title-format'.
Instead, we should come up with some simpler ways
to customize such formats - not just toss these
complex variables over to Customize as is. (That
would be a mistake, I think.)
I, like others, have provided mode-line features.
(See `modeline-posn.el', `modeline-char.el', and
`modeline-win.el' - on Emacs Wiki.)
But I can't imagine any of what those libraries
offer as being things that most users could do
easily (e.g., via Customize). And I imagine
that the same thing holds for what others have
done with the mode-line.
I think the ease-of-use needs to be brainstormed.
We should probably come up with a "simple" layer
on top of `mode-line-format'. Something that at
least lets you do some common, simple things.
Something beyond just the existing mode-line
variables.
I have nothing particular in mind - just the
question and the feeling that something could
be done. `mode-line-format' is a bear. It's
great, but not simple.
Just a thought.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-27 18:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-26 22:09 Modernize frame-title-format: "%b - GNU Emacs" Stefan Kangas
2020-08-26 22:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-26 23:12 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 5:28 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-27 5:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-27 6:56 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-27 14:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-27 15:04 ` tomas
2020-08-27 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-27 16:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-27 17:02 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-27 17:28 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-28 0:17 ` Wayne Harris via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-28 4:44 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-28 8:56 ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-28 19:03 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-28 19:55 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-28 20:36 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-28 20:40 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-08-28 21:18 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-29 8:39 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-29 16:35 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-29 17:01 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-08-29 18:25 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-29 20:19 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 6:32 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 7:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-27 8:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 8:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 14:35 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-27 14:59 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-27 15:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-28 1:04 ` James Cloos
2020-08-28 4:46 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-28 19:09 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-28 19:22 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-28 20:07 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-28 9:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-28 13:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-29 23:08 ` James Cloos
2020-08-28 19:29 ` Tassilo Horn
2020-08-27 6:52 ` tomas
2020-08-27 9:07 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-27 9:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-27 17:06 ` Pip Cet
2020-08-27 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-27 17:36 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-27 18:08 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-08-27 17:27 ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-27 17:52 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-28 22:06 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-28 23:39 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-29 1:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-30 23:59 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-31 7:58 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-31 14:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-31 14:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-31 14:52 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-31 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-31 15:48 ` Stefan Kangas
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2020-08-27 15:51 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 15:59 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 16:42 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-08-27 17:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 17:50 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-08-27 18:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 19:13 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-08-27 19:20 ` Yuri Khan
2020-08-27 17:49 ` Michael Albinus
2020-08-27 18:10 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 18:19 ` Michael Albinus
2020-08-27 18:10 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 18:22 ` Michael Albinus
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2020-08-27 18:14 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 18:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-27 18:30 ` Michael Albinus
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2020-08-27 18:34 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 18:51 ` Michael Albinus
2020-08-27 20:01 ` Drew Adams
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2020-08-28 19:16 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-31 5:26 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-31 7:34 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-01 18:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-08-31 12:02 ` Colin Baxter
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2020-08-27 15:10 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 15:14 ` tomas
2020-08-27 15:24 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-27 16:00 ` tomas
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[not found] ` <<83y2lux5hm.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-08-31 14:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-31 20:00 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-01 3:22 ` Stefan Monnier
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2020-09-01 14:54 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-01 17:00 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-01 20:31 ` Stefan Monnier
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