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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: poplife-mode
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 06:36:10 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0ad9af94-11cc-4dae-841f-f2918342d1bf@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvshdirfok.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> >> I.e. bind it to down-mouse-3 but wait a little and if there's
> >> not been any "mouse-up" event with 1s or so, then pop up the
> >> contextual menu.
> >
> > The active region is not visible as such until `mouse-3'
> > is released (the up event).
> 
> It doesn't matter, in my UI suggestion. You can either
> do: (short) click => do good ol' mouse-save-then-kill
> press-and-hold => pop up a contextual menu

The point was not about simply killing the region text.
Of course you can kill it using a single, normal click.
That's true of `mouse3.el', as well.  That's nothing new.

The point was about being able to act on the active
region in other ways, with a contextual menu appropriate
to the region being active.

(Being able to.  Nothing _requires_ you to have a menu
that is sensitive to the region being active.)

Again: the region is not highlighted until `mouse-3'
is released (up event).  You should be able to see
the region if you intend to act on it.

> > So even if this could be made to provide a menu for
> > acting on the region, the region would not be visible.
> 
> It's visible if it was activated by an earlier command,
> of course.  E.g. "mouse-3" followed by "down-mouse-3".

Pressing and holding down `mouse-3' does _not_ highlight
the region.  That happens only when `mouse-3' is released.

If you mean first click `mouse-3' (press and release)
and then press and hold `mouse-3', then you are talking
about _two_ `mouse-3' clicks (it will be released) -
similar to what `mouse3.el' does.

Besides not highlighting the region that is active and
can be acted on, your approach has the disadvantage of
mistakenly killing the region when an intended long
press happens to be a bit too short.

With the `mouse3.el' approach you can't mistakenly
kill the region.  Instead, the menu is available if
you mistakenly click too slowly, giving you another
chance to kill the region.  IOW, it's the other way
around.

> > The `mouse3.el' code intentionally provides for
> > two menus:
> >  * One for actions on the active region...
> >  * One for other actions...
> 
> My suggestion doesn't attempt to provide that.

Right.  Nothing to reflect/distinguish the context
of the region being active.

So again:

>> I think a better UI is to pop a menu for a "long press".
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why do you think so?

What's better about it?



  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-13 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-05  1:00 poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-05  5:52 ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-11 12:47 ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-11 15:01   ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 13:55     ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-12 16:46       ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 16:54         ` poplife-mode Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-12 17:47           ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 19:17             ` poplife-mode Yuri Khan
2017-11-12 20:32               ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-12 20:36               ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13  5:03                 ` poplife-mode Yuri Khan
2017-11-12 18:06         ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 20:24           ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-13  8:11             ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-13 14:36               ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 23:03                 ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-14  0:48                   ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-14 23:26                     ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-14 23:40                       ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  1:36         ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  3:40         ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  4:06           ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 14:36             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-11-13 15:24               ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 17:08                 ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 20:20                   ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 21:56                     ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 23:13                       ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 23:08                     ` Changing default mouse bindings (was: poplife-mode) Alex
2017-11-14  2:50                       ` Changing default mouse bindings Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14  7:07                         ` Yuri Khan
2017-11-14 16:34                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14 15:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-14 16:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14 16:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <<838tf8lwqn.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-14 15:35                           ` Drew Adams
2017-11-14 16:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <<<838tf8lwqn.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                           ` <<69307385-5625-48dc-9611-ad7f0b6bd529@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<83r2t0kdaz.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-14 19:47                               ` Drew Adams
2017-11-14 20:26                       ` Changing default mouse bindings (was: poplife-mode) Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-14 23:11                         ` Changing default mouse bindings Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-15  3:16                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-16 23:21                             ` Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-17  7:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-17 15:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-10  4:34                                   ` Tak Kunihiro
     [not found]                               ` <<838tf5id1e.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-17 15:31                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-11-17 16:25                       ` Sam Steingold
2017-11-13 23:16                 ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
     [not found]   ` <<jwvy3ncx3kx.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <<m2h8tzppod.fsf@aurox.ch>
2017-11-13  1:06       ` poplife-mode Drew Adams

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