From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 19:23:55 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0a13f7e1-61c7-1e78-22bc-a27c15c269e7@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zhapoz63.fsf@gnu.org>
On 03.05.2020 17:45, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Years of using Emacs with its superb documentation and elaborate
> facilities to find stuff in that documentation caused me to be more
> demanding, to expect better documentation that is easier to access
> quickly. I might compromise if something like that is not available
> when I'm working with other software, but I certainly don't want to
> give that up when I work on Emacs! And I'm astonished to hear that
> people don't_want_ the documentation we provide and the help commands
> to go with it, and are willing to settle for API completion!
The main reason the discussion even went that way is because instead of
acknowledging that the user's scenario is valid and the request is
reasonable (that code completion and describe-function's completion will
work easier and faster if function names are more predictable), you
responded with the recommendations to "just use manual".
Whereas the manual provides a different workflow and doesn't cover all
cases. For instance, it only covers the functions in the core. Maybe not
even all of them. Whereas the aforementioned features work uniformly for
all functions, no matter where defined or by whom.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-03 16:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 238+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-28 13:01 [ELPA] New package: transient Jonas Bernoulli
[not found] ` <jwv4kt3d1r8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li>
[not found] ` <jwvh7x3bfoe.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li>
2020-04-29 8:29 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 9:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 10:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:17 ` tomas
2020-04-29 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:52 ` tomas
2020-04-30 12:44 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-30 13:28 ` tomas
2020-04-30 14:26 ` Namespacing Emacs's core (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 15:08 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:23 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:02 ` tomas
2020-04-30 2:30 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:09 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 9:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:11 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:59 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:09 ` Use elisp--xref-backend in *Apropos* and *Help* (Was Re: [ELPA] New package: transient) João Távora
2020-05-02 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 2:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 11:22 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:52 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:09 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:22 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 9:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:39 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:17 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:39 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:02 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:11 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:20 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:36 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:59 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:12 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:28 ` tomas
2020-05-02 12:22 ` tomas
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 14:57 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:42 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 7:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 19:46 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 22:04 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 0:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:10 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:37 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 19:12 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:44 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 18:32 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 21:00 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 21:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 22:13 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 21:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:03 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 15:11 ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-03 15:28 ` C-h f and C-h v (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:41 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 17:44 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:21 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 21:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:23 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-05-03 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 0:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 19:49 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 23:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 1:01 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 1:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:31 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 1:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-04 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 8:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 15:39 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:33 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 15:44 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:40 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 8:27 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-03 21:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:43 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 18:57 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:15 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:59 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:22 ` João Távora
2020-04-29 13:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:42 ` tomas
2020-04-29 13:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-29 19:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-29 19:24 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-29 14:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:19 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 19:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:34 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 22:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 22:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 3:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 3:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 15:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 16:05 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:06 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 17:08 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-30 19:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 17:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 19:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 11:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-30 12:38 ` tomas
2020-04-30 17:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 17:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:42 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:41 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:14 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:58 ` tomas
2020-04-30 19:13 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:33 ` tomas
2020-04-30 20:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-30 22:46 ` chad
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 8:23 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 22:04 ` Keeping it kind Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-01 7:17 ` tomas
2020-05-01 8:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 2:51 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 20:02 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-30 1:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 13:19 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 13:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 13:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 14:17 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-29 14:19 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-30 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 16:05 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-01 17:38 ` João Távora
2020-05-01 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 2:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 14:56 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-29 12:52 ` Adam Porter
2020-04-30 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 10:50 ` Phil Sainty
2020-05-01 2:52 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 5:36 ` Phil Sainty
2020-05-02 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 2:30 ` T.V Raman
2020-05-01 10:40 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-01 15:16 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-04-30 11:43 Zhu Zihao
[not found] <<87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li>
[not found] ` <<jwv4kt3d1r8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li>
[not found] ` <<jwvh7x3bfoe.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr52_xBMYnPTO4XZ5EqvMji0pKD_YmqKHQzVo2HMCXd0KA@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr57NeMeXk5kT4fqPUGP_C1y9g8XfL8S4oXN=w=Hy8MJEA@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr7i6uMH1JRnj2E1hY5vSwiGkVwQARLHq0Q_wMn7aBKP9Q@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<837dxyz83p.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr50tQ+DeWvxT7O6E7Pm0jg7TFCxhS-iMeW03pgBcp8Lhw@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<978f970b-b5c2-bd83-39da-f632d069d7d5@yandex.ru>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr5-sYDJBWxeSE6VoAJkYxLgffDkJPRv9g7cd9qME0nLEw@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<98ab19cf-680b-9cd2-7c42-89dd0b2f470a@yandex.ru>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr5Qu-4iKvZuWmA0uswUrmZYgQmv4Dw=CibRjwUk1PggUw@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<E1jUhsZ-0006mV-Rb@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<83y2qau86i.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-02 16:51 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <<20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de>
[not found] ` <<E1jTyxu-0008FM-LM@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<E1jULk7-0007ZA-OQ@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<E1jUhpj-00064u-VY@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr48xznD4uc0zxDRqUrYGbsWU4dg2t_CfnpKipzV7_-xbg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-02 17:16 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <<83r1w2u20y.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<CAGK7Mr7z+L+1Ziptjvc8wBmZDooLfonuL3VOC8OGex+z1d7Oqg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <<83lfmatym6.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-02 17:36 ` Drew Adams
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=0a13f7e1-61c7-1e78-22bc-a27c15c269e7@yandex.ru \
--to=dgutov@yandex.ru \
--cc=eliz@gnu.org \
--cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
--cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
--cc=rms@gnu.org \
--cc=tomas@tuxteam.de \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.