From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 01:03:23 +0200 Message-ID: <0F2D02E5-0CD7-4524-A4F2-338F22381A0D@Web.DE> References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178319871 21699 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2007 23:04:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 23:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 05 01:04:30 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hk6pC-0003Qm-4f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 01:04:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk6vs-0004TP-3T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 19:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk6vc-0004S3-9N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 19:11:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk6va-0004R5-S0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 19:11:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk6va-0004Qz-MS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 19:11:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hk6ot-0001DW-1m; Fri, 04 May 2007 19:04:11 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C0A7C4DCEA; Sat, 5 May 2007 01:03:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [62.134.228.85] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1Hk6o9-0004iG-00; Sat, 05 May 2007 01:03:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/0w8RbTKHwTvEmaFzDy0ARU/gRgRXQ7XfQeioZ 0hZ/JkMMCQ9itnxIf0BVoa1wjiNq0g05urYM4N1Wajj0O/FqUi +sgzDYzbhO0tbIMj5zPQ== X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43705 Archived-At: Am 05.05.2007 um 00:09 schrieb Kim F. Storm: >> And it's an attitude that smells of >> schism and forking, which many of us will not approve, because it >> diminishes the already small group of active developers by spreading >> their insufficient resources between several competing projects. > > So why don't we try to find ways to accomodate people like Lennart who > really wants to contribute, but whose ideas are too radical to be the > default behaviour? > > E.g. by supporting two installation options > > a) maximum cross-platform consistency > b) maximum adaptation to current platform APIs. For Mac OS X we have the X clients of GNU Emacsen 21.x (with or =20 without GTK), 22.x (with or without GTK), and 23.0.0; we have also a =20 few flavours of "Carbon Emacsen" =96 and we have the Cocoa or GNUstep/=20= OPENSTEP version of Emacs.app based on version 23.0.0. I don't think it's a bad situation. Their developers have particular =20 hobbies or preferences. If they were not allowed to change things =20 they might be like me: not developing anything. But they do write and =20= improve patches to add transparency to Emacs, or to open every buffer =20= in its own frame, or to overcome the inability of GNU Emacs (and I =20 mean the "official" and "stable" version here) to deal with Unicode. =20 Or to enable Emacs to print non-US-ASCII and non-ISO 8859-1 characters. IMO it would be fine if the "official" GNU Emacs site would point to =20 sites providing "non-official" flavours of GNU Emacs, and these sites =20= would document their changes and additions. -- Greetings Pete Upgraded: Didn't work the first time.