From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6595: 24.0.50; tooltip doc Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:52:51 -0700 Message-ID: <0ECC610AE06B44FC881DEDD9EF12442D@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278700211 8889 80.91.229.12 (9 Jul 2010 18:30:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:30:11 +0000 (UTC) To: 6595@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 09 20:30:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXIKv-0003so-5r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:30:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53886 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXIKu-0006ut-4k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Node Tooltips of the Emacs manual says nothing about tooltip mode being enabled by default. And it says nothing about option `tooltip-use-echo-area'. More generally, it nowhere explains clearly what the recommended way of moving help to the echo area is (i.e. not using tooltips). There is an option, `tooltip-use-echo-area', whose doc tells you that if you want help to appear in the echo area then you should customize this to non-nil and enable tooltip mode. But why? Why is there this separate option, in addition to the option `tooltip-mode', whose customization to nil has the same effect of moving help to the echo area? This is not clear to me. Either there is a design flaw - perhaps `tooltip-use-echo-area' should be removed, or more likely something is simply missing from the doc. Please explain - make this topic clear to users. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-06-28 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/xpm/include'