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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::529 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:07:48 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229478 Archived-At: ------E3NYU12TXRLGAWXRSRBV9VO73ENSAB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Can we consider changing defaults only for users who don't have any init= file at all ? This change may not solve many problems, due to two other features of em= acs :=20 1=2E Emacs undo is frustrating for most new users=2E Correcting mistakes w= ith delete-selection-mode i=2Ee=2E restore a selection that was deleted due= to a mistaken delete by typing/pasting , will need them to use undo=2E=20 2=2E In their attempt to play with undo/redo, they might do C-y=2E Which p= astes in Emacs : but it is the key for redo in many "modern" editors=2E Thi= s can cause more unintended deletions in delete-selection-mode=2E Thanks ------E3NYU12TXRLGAWXRSRBV9VO73ENSAB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,
Can we consider changing defaults only for users who don't have any = init file at all ?

This change may not solve many problems, due to two other features of em= acs :

1=2E Emacs undo is frustrating for most new users=2E Correcting mistakes w= ith delete-selection-mode i=2Ee=2E restore a selection that was deleted due= to a mistaken delete by typing/pasting , will need them to use undo=2E
2=2E In their attempt to play with undo/redo, they might do C-y=2E Which p= astes in Emacs : but it is the key for redo in many "modern" edit= ors=2E This can cause more unintended deletions in delete-selection-mode=2E=

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