From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:33:08 -0800 Message-ID: <0C40FAA8B97C43979D93F2C7CD29DDE6@us.oracle.com> References: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1358656453 24139 80.91.229.3 (20 Jan 2013 04:34:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13503@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 20 05:34:31 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmc0-0006qn-As for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:34:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55842 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbj-0007BL-G6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbg-0007Aw-Br for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbf-0001uR-4U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbf-0001uL-0A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwmcY-00046Y-7T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:35:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13503-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13503.135865645815727 (code B ref 13503); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:35:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 04:34:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40956 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbp-00045Z-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:18 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:19851) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbm-00045R-JM for 13503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:15 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0K4XGPs021332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:33:17 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0K4XFL7004827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:33:16 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0K4XFCw009628; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:33:15 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:33:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac32wOkvE5QB7tnaQ8mQqi7vqJFz1wABRDUA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:70078 Archived-At: > > Where is it? What is it? > > > > It is not autoloaded. It is called out in NEWS. Grepping > > Lisp sources shows that it is mentioned only in cus-start.el. > > Where is the doc? > > Some variables and functions are defined in C, so it's not enough to > grep Lisp files. This particular variable is defined in xterm.c. Yes, I assumed it was in C code (which I do not have). > Since it's only available on X (based on features that need X), you > don't see its doc string on Windows. Windows users should either not have the variable at all or they should see its doc, which should let them know that it is not usable on Windows. It is wrong for them to have the variable and not be able to see its doc. And NEWS should call out the fact that it is only for Emacs that uses X Window. We should not be announcing new options that (some, in this case Windows) users cannot find anything out about. We currently say nothing at all about this option in NEWS, except that it is new. In that case, (all) users must be able to get info about it from Emacs in some other way, e.g., C-h v or a manual.