From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:35:00 +0200 Message-ID: <0BBB5844-7A45-4002-99DE-1BAC93E3456E@Freenet.DE> References: <2047928B-CCE1-4A20-9280-B671282A819F@Freenet.DE> <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> Reply-To: Peter Dyballa , 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-875780515" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1239110670 13540 80.91.229.12 (7 Apr 2009 13:24:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, David Reitter To: Adrian Robert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 07 15:25:48 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LrBJ4-0007Wx-1k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:25:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35964 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LrBHf-0002RN-G1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:24:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LrBHR-0002MU-Co for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:23:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LrBHM-0002Jz-7H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:23:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49482 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LrBHM-0002Jv-5H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:47650) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LrBHL-0002NA-GX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:23:51 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n37DNmD3032550; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:23:49 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n37DK3lU031318; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:20:03 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:20:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1993 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1993-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1993.123911018131097 (code B ref 1993); Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:20:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1993) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Apr 2009 13:16:21 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [195.4.92.92]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n37DGH7d031091 for <1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:16:19 -0700 Original-Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1LqpvG-0008B8-Kk; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:35:38 +0200 Original-Received: from p5b23fbfb.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.35.251.251]:54620 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1Lqpur-0003wm-8L; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:35:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <38FE7C75-06D5-4680-A7EB-0D8F4F810C95@gmail.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:23:57 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:26969 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-875780515 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 06.04.2009 um 06:25 schrieb Adrian Robert: > IMHO Command is too heavily used on the Mac to simply throw under =20 > the bus by default -- the very user who will like emacs or uses it =20 > on other platforms is exactly the one already using cmd-shortcuts =20 > in other apps on the Mac. Further, "traditionalists" are most =20 > prepared to get their hands dirty and set up a command=3Dmeta mapping =20= > if they want it. Whereas a less savvy, single-platform user coming =20= > to Emacs.app from Text Edit, XCode, etc. will be most at home with =20 > command=3Dsuper and alt=3Dalt. As they learn emacs more, they can = make =20 > their own decision about which key to give up for meta if they =20 > dislike esc+. I wouldn't mind if command=3Dsuper by default =96 provided some key =20 bindings are reserved for Mac OS X (copy, paste, maximise/minimise, =20 hide/unhide, maybe also new frame and preferences/customisation), a =20 three button can be emulated, and the standard Meta key bindings of =20 GNU Emacs are also available as super key bindings (for example M-g g/=20= M-g M-g, which collides with s-g, isearch-repeat-forward). -- Greetings Pete With Capitalism man exploits man. With communism it's the exact =20 opposite. --Apple-Mail-1-875780515 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknaExYACgkQ+Z8cB9x5ExOj+QCgk8FWaMihKi7/rHA52zfP5ut2 45wAn2hZKs6qcWgaelqBOhoo9K21cExK =R8Pl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-875780515--