From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7196: 24.0.50; NEWS item "Selection changes" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:52:52 -0700 Message-ID: <0B1CE31D4CBF4000AAC8548BF74A3CE8@us.oracle.com> References: <861FD1851FD742E4A821C8ECDDB11A55@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286901305 12340 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2010 16:35:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:35:05 +0000 (UTC) To: <7196@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 12 18:35:04 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P5hoa-0006Yh-CJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:35:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P5hkl-00055f-Tu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:31:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=43326 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P5hds-0001br-SM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P5hSS-0005QC-P7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:12:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P5hSS-0005Q8-Nm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:12:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P5h75-00024H-CM; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:50:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:50:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7196-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7196.12868986007940 (code B ref 7196); Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:50:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7196) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2010 15:50:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P5h71-000241-WE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:50:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P5h6z-00023u-Ml for 7196@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:49:58 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o9CFrMh9006083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <7196@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:53:24 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o9CC2IwT010454 for <7196@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:53:21 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 676274511286898774; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:52:54 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.229.52) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:52:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <861FD1851FD742E4A821C8ECDDB11A55@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: ActqHa12S7HETJ/LROiA44OIO7tY7QABYGdA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:50:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:40827 Archived-At: 1. Also, the NEWS item should make clear just what has changed for which platforms. What it says currently is incomplete and inaccurate. For example: * "`x-select-enable-clipboard' now defaults to t." That is _not_ a change for Windows - nothing new. * "`x-select-enable-primary' now defaults to nil." That variable does not even exist on Windows. Clarify that this is specific to platforms ___. 2. When saying that the new value of something is ___, you need to also say what the old value was. That's what describing a change means: saying what is new includes saying what the difference is from what was old. Users or libraries might have done something conditionally based on the old value. They need to know about the change so they can decide what to do about the new value. This is especially true for key bindings - for example, "`mouse-2' is now bound to `mouse-yank-primary'". Yes, but what was `mouse-2' bound to before? Imagine that a user or a library remapped `mouse-yank-at-click', the old default binding for `mouse-2'. If `mouse-yank-primary' is now the default binding, then the remapping is longer effective. At least make the user aware of the change, so s?he can decide whether to remap the new default command just as s?he remapped the old default command.