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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Stephen J. Turnbull'" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Carsten Dominik' <dominik@uva.nl>,
	'Daniel Colascione' <danc@merrillpress.com>,
	'Leo' <sdl.web@gmail.com>, 'CHENG Gao' <chenggao@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:46:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0AE832B5AEFE4453BB3E46F20DA29DE8@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878whr9o4c.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

> I have no objection to use of `eval-after-load' in user or site files
> that are disabled by emacs -q.  But `eval-after-load' in core files is
> like smoking in an elevator next to a pregnant woman.  It's very
> convenient, maybe even "necessary", from the point of view of the
> user of the feature, but he doesn't bear the pain of debugging a
> Heisenbug that appears for the user of random-package-using-e-a-l.
> 
> I note that all the advocates of e-a-l are package maintainers and UI
> types; all the deprecators are core.  This is an inherent tension, and
> I think it should be resolved in favor of protecting the core.

Nothing wrong with "protecting the core".

The discussion was about the Elisp manual, whose target audience is not just
maintainers of the Emacs core. The help and guidance there are used by a variety
of programmer-users.

Again, there's nothing wrong with (a) giving a general guideline, and also (b)
explaining the issues and giving additional info about contexts where the
guideline might not be something you would want to follow. It's about furthering
understanding, not just rote learning of rules.





  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-11  0:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-09 23:34 Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Deniz Dogan
2009-08-09 23:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:46   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-09 23:50     ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-09 23:56       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:56       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-09 23:55     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:58       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:00         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:06           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:17             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:46               ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:55                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:18         ` Leo
2009-08-10  0:49           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  7:06           ` Carsten Dominik
2009-08-10  8:44             ` Leo
2009-08-10  8:54               ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-10  9:26                 ` Leo
2009-08-10 10:22                   ` Richard Riley
2009-08-10 15:21                   ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10 17:01                     ` Drew Adams
2009-08-10 17:21                       ` eval-after-load not harmful after all Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11  0:43                       ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11  0:46                         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2009-08-11 14:06                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 15:08                           ` eval-after-load not harmful after all Stefan Monnier
2009-08-16 21:43                             ` Leo
2009-08-17  0:34                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-17 11:44                                 ` Leo
2009-08-17 11:55                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-17 12:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-17 14:40                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  0:53                         ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  3:06                         ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  9:17                           ` Leo
2009-08-11 14:37                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-10 10:41               ` Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Carsten Dominik
2009-08-10 13:04                 ` Leo
2009-08-10 14:55                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11  1:13                 ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-11  3:02                   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:28                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-11  4:33                       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:39                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-11  4:45                           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:37                     ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-10  2:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  2:55           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 13:12             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  0:32   ` Leo
2009-08-10  0:48     ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  2:55       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  3:24         ` Miles Bader
2009-08-10  3:27           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  3:45             ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  5:18             ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-10  5:51           ` Xah Lee
2009-08-10  6:22             ` Xah Lee
2009-08-10  6:59               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-10 11:01             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 17:35             ` "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10 18:04               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 20:42                 ` David Engster
2009-08-10 20:51                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 22:06                     ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-10 22:19                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  1:50                         ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-11  6:47                           ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-11  9:17                             ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 12:13                             ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 14:37                               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 14:49                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 14:57                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 14:53                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:08                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:36                                   ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 15:56                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 15:54                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 17:00                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 17:19                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:57                                   ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 17:06                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 14:50                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-11 15:06                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:11                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:16                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:44                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 18:04                                   ` joakim
2009-08-11 18:08                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 19:12                                       ` joakim
2009-08-11 17:09                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 16:04                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 18:10                               ` Edward O'Connor
2009-08-12  1:58                               ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-12 13:48                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-12 16:07                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 22:08                                   ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-14  1:22                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-12  2:16                               ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-12  6:43                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-12 11:28                                   ` Xah Lee
2010-11-23 14:43                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-12 15:21                               ` asynchronous parsing (was: "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth) Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-12 17:16                                 ` asynchronous parsing joakim
2009-08-12 19:39                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-12 20:01                                     ` joakim
2009-08-13  2:51                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 14:51                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-11 19:48                           ` "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 18:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 18:55                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  3:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 14:49           ` Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  6:46         ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 14:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 14:05       ` Stephen Eilert
2009-08-10 14:37         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 14:42           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 19:12           ` Stephen Eilert
2009-08-10 14:41         ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 14:57           ` Lennart Borgman

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