From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:28:22 +0000 Message-ID: <09B20AB3-83DA-4862-8418-9151974C32DF@gnu.support> References: <83k0sp27f6.fsf@gnu.org> <83eeiwlsn6.fsf@gnu.org> <831rewldok.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnwojxe0.fsf@gnu.org> <83turrkj8x.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31025"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 12:29:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxpxK-0007vx-A0 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 12:29:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50594 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxpxJ-0005Tk-1t for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 06:29:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxpwm-0005Ry-Rn for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 06:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:45409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxpwh-0000Qm-Ti; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 06:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.152.120.21] ([::ffff:41.210.145.49]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000567CE.000000005FF841E7.00007C25; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 04:28:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83turrkj8x.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:512 Archived-At: Eli, I am managing websites since 1995=2E Placing references for software o= n websites, or newspapers, or in emails, or in directories, catalogue, anyw= here, including in GNU ELPA , be it a link or not, Just text, It Is promoti= on of those websites, software, or opinions=2E If we declare in such references that e=2Eg=2E Skype is proprietary and ab= usive software then it is anti promotion, and we then rather promote free s= oftware like Jami as replacement=2E Repology=2Eel package does not constitute anti promotion like the example = from GNU=2Eorg, it just promotes all kind of software without distinction a= s many included repositories do not show licensing information, some do, so= me not=2E On January 8, 2021 6:58:22 AM UTC, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:00:36 +0300 >> From: Jean Louis >> Cc: arthur=2Emiller@live=2Ecom, rms@gnu=2Eorg, ams@gnu=2Eorg, >> dgutov@yandex=2Eru, ulm@gentoo=2Eorg, emacs-tangents@gnu=2Eorg >>=20 >> > > I see that repology=2Eorg does not make any distinction and it >cannot do >> > > that easily technically=2E So it does not make neither free >software nor >> > > proprietary better or worse by any reasons=2E And that is the >problem=2E >> >=20 >> > How is it a problem? where's the promotion, please? >>=20 >> A WWW index of hyperlinks is promotion of hyperlinks=2E Simple >placement >> of a hyperlink on anybody's website is promotion of the other >> website=2E > >That doesn't match the meaning of the word, please re-read its >definition=2E Reference and promotion are not the same thing=2E > >> Since 2021, GNU project did not provide references to proprietary >> software=2E > >What GNU project does is not sacred=2E The policy is set by humans, and >the reasoning for that policy is human reasoning=2E Thus, arguments >about what we have been doing are not valid as reasons against changes >in that policy, because new convincing reasoning, as well as specific >new practical use cases brought to light, can legitimately change or >augment existing policies=2E Failure to do so, or even to consider >changes, would mean that GNU is a dogmatic movement, which it isn't, >and never has been=2E > >> I would be surprised if GNU project begins doing that from 2021, as >> if we continue disintegrating the basic principles of GNU project, >> by 2031 we may expect something worse, maybe total disappearance of >> GNU project in its sense of free software teaching center=2E > >Forgive me my language, but this is FUD=2E You have no real basis for >spreading such fears=2E It isn't like what's proposed here is >cancellation of the GNU Manifesto or anything basic like that=2E