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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316267 Archived-At: > On Feb 17, 2024, at 10:51=E2=80=AFAM, Eli Zaretskii = wrote: >=20 >> From: JD Smith >> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 09:40:19 -0500 >>=20 >> There was a recent discussion about which lisp/progmodes packages = belong in core. A sentiment was >> expressed that useful languages with non-negligible user bases should = probably go in, and others should be >> in ELPA. >>=20 >> I want to bring up a related point: it should be possible to retire = packages from core, once their relevance >> drops below a critical threshold [1]. >=20 > We usually first retire such packages to lisp/obsolete/. There, they > are still available, but need to be loaded manually. Moving something > directly to ELPA might be too drastic, assuming someone somewhere > still want to use it. Does that reduce the maintenance burden, for example because code in = lisp/obsolete does not receive updates to documentation, stylistic code = changes, etc.? Do you typically also remove the associated entry in = auto-mode-alist when obsoleting in this fashion?=