From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Gene Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for over aged hippies?! Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <091a84fb-f342-4950-ae25-f680b697501b@googlegroups.com> References: <86popa5lm4.fsf@student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1471358741 3672 195.159.176.226 (16 Aug 2016 14:45:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:40:54 +0000 User-Agent: G2/1.0 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 16 16:45:32 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bZfcR-0000T7-D4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:45:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42589 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bZfcO-0004t3-Hz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:45:28 -0400 X-Received: by 10.31.92.87 with SMTP id q84mr17759525vkb.3.1471358454957; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.36.50.145 with SMTP id j139mr483172ita.9.1471358454873; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!c52no9104819qte.1!news-out.google.com!d130ni37211ith.0!nntp.google.com!f6no10393285ith.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <86popa5lm4.fsf@student.uu.se> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.255.103.23; posting-account=xePGxQoAAAAgJalA5zaHmrGIX9Wk_gLW Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.255.103.23 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:218743 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111158 Archived-At: > And then I got: >=20 > Emacs? Good Lord! I thought you had to be > an over aged hippie to use that :-) >=20 > ??? I believe the replies thus far have played off `figure' rather than `ground= ' vis-a-vis both figure-ground perception and figure-ground relations. If one boarded Sherman and Peabody's wayback machine to the mid 70s one wou= ld discover wordstar as a TEXT EDITOR among text editors, as the `word proc= essor' and the IBM PC had not yet appeared as a backdrop for mere `text' ed= itors. ref: https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=3DSherman%20and%20Peabody%27s%20wayback= %20machine Once WYSIWYG word processors emerged as wizbang NEWER tech, EVERY mere `tex= t' editor was contrastively seen by the users of the latest `state of the a= rt' SUPERFICIAL programs-cum-apps as outmoded, non-sexy road kill as glimps= ed in passing through their rear view mirrors. Now both text and `words' are something optional that most users of phones = smarter than they are apply to pictures and videos they upload to Facebook,= Youtube, and Pintest. That emacs doesn't pander primarily to those for whom pictures and videos a= re the media which IS the message means that those users of touch screens a= s found on smart phones and tablets regard it quaint, outmoded, or somethin= g an `over aged hippie' would use ... perhaps to add hashtags to their vapi= d, vacuous `home movies' The comment doesn't leverage off `Wordstar' so much as The Paradigm in whic= h both Wordstar and Emacs were/are part and parcel: TUI-accessible text-bas= ed `information'; the GUI-ized touch screen has made touch typing problemat= ic, if not impossible, and if you can't fap to an image appearing on your s= creen then it's NOT -- perhaps post-modern -- `information' as those NOT qu= alifying as `over aged hippies' would behold it. Now if an emacs mode were to appear which allowed an assortment of hashtags= to be provided to search for pics and videos hosted by FB, youtube, pinter= est, and such AND emacs became `an app' available for both android and all = the Apple gadgets those people with phones smarter than they are WOULD undo= ubtedly regard it hip and trendy. Marshall McLuhan was right; "The Medium is the Message"=20 Both Wordstar and emacs employ a textual medium associated with a bygone pa= radigm upstaged by a paradigm in which PICTURES APPEAR which one can TOUCH. As someone who may resemble the remark `over aged hippie' I'll fade out wit= h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTa7nYaeEO7g Cheers! Gene