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Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:44:22 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id vBIKiLUm027007; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:44:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83lghzq0r4.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4627.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8749 signatures=668649 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=878 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1712180276 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:141232 Archived-At: > > 1. The #...# files are missing. > > > > 2. The .* (dot) files are missing. >=20 > They are not missing here, at least not in some 2 random directories I > tried, so maybe this is something specific to your system. You're right. Those files are mixed in with the others, instead of being clumped together at the beginning. My directory listing is large, and I didn't notice these few files as they were lost in the sea of "normal" files. So I guess you can close this bug. > > 3. The order of the other files is changed. >=20 > This might be due to this change (from NEWS.25): >=20 > *** The ls-lisp package uses 'string-collate-lessp' to sort file names. > The effect is that, on systems that use ls-lisp for Dired, the default > sort order of the files in Dired is now different from what it was in > previous versions of Emacs. In particular, the file names are sorted > disregarding punctuation, accents, and diacritics, and letter case is > ignored. For example, files whose name begin with a period will no > longer appear near the beginning of the directory listing. If you > want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new option > 'ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to the nil value. Thanks. Yes, changing the option value to nil solves everything. Why the longstanding default behavior changed? I can see someone wanting a different order, and so I understand that we added an option for this. But why was the default changed?