From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rustom Mody Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <075751cf-97a3-4d01-8fb1-4ffbc0180f3f@googlegroups.com> References: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87fvuwgsv0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375187424 14843 80.91.229.3 (30 Jul 2013 12:30:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:30:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 30 14:30:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V494J-0008NF-Fe for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:30:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42291 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V494I-0002rf-TZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:30:22 -0400 X-Received: by 10.224.103.68 with SMTP id j4mr1034811qao.8.1375187278209; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.106.50 with SMTP id gr18mr71042igb.1.1375187278055; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fx3no153132qab.0!news-out.google.com!ce7ni20qab.0!nntp.google.com!fx3no153129qab.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <87fvuwgsv0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.2.27; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.2.27 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:27:58 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200279 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92546 Archived-At: On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:30:35 PM UTC+5:30, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Barry Margolin writes: > > > When spreadsheet software came out, no one told them they were > > "programming" when they put "SUM(A)" in a field and it totalled > > all the values in column A, so they didn't know they couldn't do > > it because they weren't programmers. > > > But that's not programming, either. That's bookkeeping. In the > world of science and technology, perhaps it is set theory, > relational algebra, or simply stats. It is not programming. Heres Simon Peyton Jones on why spreadsheets are just FP in disguise http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~black/S3S/PeytonJones.ppt In the same way, R is stats+programming sql is relational-algebra+programming [And oldtimers will remember SetL]