From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: "Nagarjuna G." <nagarjun@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: gnowsys-mode a major mode extending org
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:26:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <06933A32-790C-4E25-9744-DA2CB22AA4F2@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090930001940.GA22310@fencepost.gnu.org>
Hi Nagarjuna,
This sound very interesting indeed. Thanks for sharing!
- Carsten
On Sep 30, 2009, at 2:19 AM, Nagarjuna G. wrote:
> Dear orgmode developers and users
>
> This is a note to share with you our adventure with org.
>
> We, at gnowledge.org, began a project that extends orgmode (without
> spoiling or loosing any of the orgmode features) to support
> collaborative knowledge organization and networking using the GNOWSYS
> storage on the server side. This is work in progress. I am writing
> this note to inform you about the on going work, as well as to thank
> you all, specially Carsten for creating an app that took Emacs to yet
> another level.
>
> * What we are doing with orgmode:
>
> 1. We use Emacs as a client to collaboratively create, update
> knowledge networks in plain text. The knowledge network is
> created by adding nodes (rendered in orgmode as a note item) and
> named relations between them (rendered in orgmode in the
> properties drawer of the note item). The storage of the network
> is compatible to RDF model of storing networks, though we do not
> store or process XML either on the server side or on the client
> side. Thus, every orgmode item is added in a form that can be
> serialized as a RDF triple. Some examples given below.
>
> 2. We are using xmlrpc (xmlrpc.el), a builtin feature in Emacs, to
> connect to GNOWSYS server. GNOWSYS publishes its API as
> webservice (which has an API to perform the authentication,
> search the knowledge base, return and update the nodes and its
> properties.)
>
> 3. Each node when returned from the GNOWSYS server to the client
> opens in a org buffer (temporary) as a note item. Since we
> render the linkeddata in a text format orgmode renders everything
> nicely. We have defined more types of links, extending the ones
> available already, so that the linked nodes' URI is always
> available.
>
> 4. Any text written below the drawers is stored as the value of an
> attribute 'content' of the current node on the server side.
>
> 5. We are adding more and more functions to complete the entire
> application, thanks to orgmode and Emacs, where difficult tasks
> are tamed to such an extent, we are obviously excited!
>
> * What missing feature of orgmode will be available in gnowsys-mode
>
> We can do networking between items making frame based orgmode items
> linked with any other items in any which way by explicitly naming
> the relations. This feature makes orgmode ready for semantic
> web. We plan to use the properties drawer to hold all the metadata
> of each node. In-built version control of all notes as well as the
> networks (a feature of GNOWSYS). Orgmode with the extensions that
> we are applying can demonstrate how complex application data can be
> represented and manipulated in plain text including semantic web.
>
> * What this extension may mean to the users of orgmode and others.
>
> These are the use cases for extended orgmode/gnowsys-mode:
>
> 1. Each note item (*) can be published at a remote server as a node,
> with its content and properties stored as attributes. Thus all
> data gets published on the server, though optionally the user can
> save all data as text files on his/her PC. Published nodes
> can be read and edited by others, allowing collaborative
> authoring. Using this feature, we can use orgmode as a wiki
> source file.
>
> 2. GNOWSYS supports version control of all changes made to the node,
> thus changes can be tracked. No additional version control like
> cvs, svn, git, bazaar etc. are required. (GNOWSYS should soon
> support more functions to improve this.) Nothing is deleted from
> the server. Nodes can be delinked or marked deleted, nodes with
> deleted mark still exist on the server after making a new
> snapshot of the node.
>
> 3. Ontologies or application schema can be made and published
> collaboratively. This is useful as a semantic web
> application. All this can be done without using XML on either
> server side or client side, though we can import and export data
> serialized in RDF format. This makes it a pure text based app
> for semantic web.
>
> 4. Complex documents like courses, manuals, books can be written in
> orgmode collaboratively with bibliogrpahy support etc. LaTeX and
> DocBook export feature could make use of this to make orgmode as
> a desktop publishing system supporting collaborative editing. (We
> want to discuss this project with guidance from org team.)
>
> 5. Considering that a website is nothing but a set of complex
> documents with internal as well as external hyperlinks, complete
> website can be made, managed and published by orgmode with the
> source code of the site completely encoded in text.
>
> 6. GNOWSYS is made for collaborative creation of semantic networks,
> so this use case needs no more elaboration. Concept graphs,
> mindmaps included.
>
>
> We realize that much of the above use needs a good and advanced search
> facility on the GNOWSYS side. Though crude search is possible now,
> and integrated within gnowsys-mode, a lot of improvement is possible
> here.
>
> The bleeding-edge gnowsys-mode can be obtained using "svn co
> svn://svn.savannah.gnu.org/gnowsys/gnowsys-mode".
>
> Divya (a student hacker) did this project as her GSoC 2009 under Rajiv
> and me as mentors. She keeps on updating with more and more functions
> regularly. We will feel encouraged if some of you could try this and
> send us feedback. As first time emacs-lisp hackers our code may not be
> written elegantly. If you detect blunders do let us know. We already
> learned a lot from the existing examples.
>
> gnowsys-mode will be demonstrated at ISWC 2009 to be held this October
> near Washington for the semantic web community. If any of you are
> aruond Washington/Virginia I would be glad to meetup.
>
> Thanks again for org!
>
> Nagarjuna
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-09-30 7:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-30 0:19 gnowsys-mode a major mode extending org Nagarjuna G.
2009-09-30 1:23 ` Samuel Wales
2009-09-30 1:29 ` Samuel Wales
2009-09-30 4:49 ` Nagarjuna G.
2009-10-01 2:03 ` Samuel Wales
2009-09-30 3:23 ` Nagarjuna G
2009-09-30 7:26 ` Carsten Dominik [this message]
2009-09-30 7:42 ` Scot Becker
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