From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: usability problem of emacs describe-mode Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:32:43 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <06245ba5-3e82-4e9a-94c9-a2d1547e2a09@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> References: <76fcf833-ad89-44f2-b227-e18295317ca2@p13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <38ednbtv0uzbrDnUnZ2dnUVZ_heWnZ2d@sysmatrix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1235532058 7316 80.91.229.12 (25 Feb 2009 03:20:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:20:58 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 25 04:22:13 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LcALc-0001nG-9s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:22:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42360 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LcAKH-0002Kq-Fe for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:20:49 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 27 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.226.234.173 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1235507563 3491 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2009 20:32:43 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.226.234.173; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.27.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.2.1 Safari/525.27.1, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:167033 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:17:15 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:62348 Archived-At: Xah Lee wrote: =E2=80=A2 Usability Problems Of Emacs's Mode Documentation http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_mode_doc.html On Feb 24, 9:41 am, "B. T. Raven" wrote: > Did you look at Andreas' defun? The issue is a criticism, not about how can i do this or that. imagine Roger Ebert gives 2 thumbs down on a movie, and you say: =E2=80=9Cw= hy don't you watch other movies instead?=E2=80=9D. > There is a constant tension between an application's power and usability > and the default behavior of Emacs seems to me to manage the > combinatorial explosion of functionalities better than what you have > proposed, with a few exceptions. You have to give reasons Raven. Let's focus on this issue, let's not generalized or philosophize. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84