From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kindall Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:45:37 -0700 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <060520030745372240%jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305060558.7cba26d9@posting.google.com> Reply-To: usenet@jerrykindall.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052232759 13034 80.91.224.249 (6 May 2003 14:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 16:52:37 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19D3nX-0003LH-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 16:52:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D3m1-0004kR-04 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 10:50:29 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-xfer.cox.net!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news2.newsreader.com!troll.newsreader.com!jerrykindall Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.5.10 (Carbon/OS X) Original-X-Trace: troll.newsreader.com @+m-yRTYnC6ic=ibN50VW3L=DCWctH5veR@sW+8g_mwA4/wQRF Original-Lines: 37 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112837 comp.sys.mac.apps:360645 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9332 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9332 In article <39d9c156.0305060558.7cba26d9@posting.google.com>, BK wrote: > Oliver Scholz wrote ... > > > > On a Mac, cut/copy/paste is Cmd-x/c/v. Emacs doesn't adhere to this, > > > but in principle, this can be changed back to normal by defining > > > keyboard macros. > > > > It is like a school-kid saying: "Why don't the people abroad speak > > German? It would be so much easier for them to talk to each other if they > > did not insist of using foreign languages at home." > > Wrong example. You just shot yourself in the foot. :-) > > On the Mac, HIG is the local custom and therefore it is only > reasonable to expecrt that any foreign application coming to Mac land > can will respect the native customs and accept them as being normal, > while its own foreign customs, although they might be accepted, will > remain foreign. No, you've got it backwards. When you launch Emacs, you tell your Mac "I want to travel to Emacs-land" and implicitly accept its foreign customs. Emacs is practically an OS of its own -- it includes a Turing-complete programming language with which mail and news readers, and other applications, have been implemented, all inside the editor. In short, launching Emacs and complaining about the keyboard shortcuts is like launching Windows under Virtual PC and complaining that all the windows are funny-looking. If Emacs worked like a Mac program, it wouldn't be Emacs anymore... -- Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA http://www.jerrykindall.com/ If replying to this message by e-mail, send plain text only. Replies with files or HTML will be deleted by my spam filters.